Clojurians Log v2

@danielcompton is that a serious question? Or are you just trying to be funny?

@sveri: assuming "Prismatic guys" is disrespectful. You might try something gender neutral like "Prismatic folks".

If that seems confusing or strange, read the Code of Conduct for this Slack.

Hmm - for what its worth I normally says 'guys' even when everyone I'm addressing is a girl. I'm sure it must be a cultural thing how you address people. I just wrote a tender type document where I said 'her/his' every time I needed the third person singular. Almost no matter which way you go it seems confusing or strange!

we’re in the 21st century y'all

@cjmurphy: indeed, "guys" is very common, but it doesn't make it any less disrespectful. It's just not an inclusive phrase.

@cjmurphy: So guys is a word that is not allowed to use in this channel as it has several meanings?

Sorry, this was adressed to @seancorfield

I am asking for clarification as I could not find it in the "badwords" list. Maybe we should add it then?

I was just explaining why Daniel made that comment.

The "badwords" list is just an example of problematic words. The Code of Conduct is intended to make people think about being inclusive and welcoming.

Hello, im trying to learn clojure by the brave and true book. At this moment, I made a project of every chapter. it worked but yiu get a lot of projects. Is there a better way to organize this ?

You can just drag the ones you are not interested in at the moment to another directory - a special directory for that purpose. You can always bring them back later. I guess the filesystem can be your friend.

@cjmurphy: that is a nice idea. Make a directory brave with all the finisched chapters

@seancorfield: @danielcompton I think it's a pity you both are openly implying that I was intentionally excluding girls or transgender or whatever exists out there. English is not my native language and in school I learned that guys translates to people in general. Your comments indeed did make me feel excluded and not being welcomed. Whereas all I wanted to talk about was a technical issue I had which is totally not gender related.

@sveri: I wasn’t implying that at all. I said it in a neutral way, and totally understand both meanings

I don’t think you were intentionally excluding people, I was just trying to communicate how it can come across

I use private messages to communicate to people all the time, just not this time.

@sveri I wouldn't take their comments personally, just good advice for all of us to pay attention to. I know when you're communicating and its not your native language its very difficult to also learn the secondary meanings of words so raising these kinds of issues is probably more important for native speakers as we are often the examples of acceptable usage for those who are learning that language.

Oh God, and here I thought this slack has a sensible CoC of "don't be an asshole and harass people", not that Contributor Covenant inclusivity nonsense : < Even Google Chrome's spell-checker thinks that's not a word : V I can't see what's so disrespectful in saying "Prismatic guys". Heck, I tend to greet my male acquaintances with "Hey, girls" from time to time and apart from looking at me as if I'm mentally handicapped no-one gets their pants in a twist. Now, imagine if someone would have asked a Schema question, prismatic happened to have a female Schema developer who replied with an answer and the guy says "I wanted an answer from a Schema guy", now - that is disrespectful as hell. It's implying that the female developer is somehow intrinsically inferior. I wouldn't yet classify it under "harassment" though, unless that person persists in belittling the developer in question. You can even make this less hypothetical making the question about Clojurescript compiler internals, since we have a well known female developer that has knowledge in that field. Being offended that someone says "Primsatic guys" or even "Clojurescript guys" (even thought we're all aware of Mrs. Geller) is all in the eye of the beholder (or ear of the listener if we're talking about verbal communications) and getting upset over a somewhat gendered way of saying "people" that is not meant to bemoan people is just plain silly. If I had a penny every time someone said I won't get a girl because I do computers or gave me a female nickname I would have been rich, but getting offended over people insisting my nick is not jaen, but Jeanette or my name is Tosia not Tomek is not something that ever crossed my mind. Or are we supposed to start saying "sentient beings" instead of "people" because we might offend someone who think he is a dragon and finds being called a human offending? : V

There is nothing wrong with carefully using language. After all, language influences how we think. And, all this is about tiny things as well as large ones, so even if saying "folks" instead of "guys" is just a tiny bit better, it also does not cost a lot, raises awareness and improves communication.

I feel silly for having realized this just now: #(-> 42) or #(do 42) can be used to return a value in an anonymous function. Like constantly or (fn [] 42)

@rauh: Neat. I always resorted to things like (fn [] 42), yours is more compact.

@rauh: h the difference is that constantly will happily take any number of arguments, which the other two don't

https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/clojure-1.7.0/src/clj/clojure/core.clj#L1380

Also, constantly will evaluate its argument whereas fn won't. So (constantly (throw (Exception. "something"))) is not the same as (fn [] (throw (Exception. "something"))).