clojure-australia

anonimitoraf 2021-04-29T14:04:14.037600Z

I don't work with Clojure (yet) and I wish I do, but I'm personally trying to learn product management skills for the sake of establishing a couple of startups in the foreseeable future (I have some ideas which I think have potential)

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lsenjov 2021-04-29T22:17:03.037800Z

Last job was a software house targeting startups, so I got pretty gritty with a couple of them. Honestly I'm not looking to get back in the product seat

lsenjov 2021-04-29T22:17:42.037900Z

Mainly because trying to figure out what people actually want is impossible without infinite patience and pandering

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anonimitoraf 2021-04-30T09:11:39.041900Z

Right, yea, some people are definitely better than others

lsenjov 2021-04-29T22:18:24.038Z

I prefer being product focused but internal, where I can get direct to the problem

anonimitoraf 2021-04-30T09:11:55.042100Z

> They have far more patience than I do Lol

anonimitoraf 2021-04-30T09:12:54.042300Z

> but stepping back makes it easier to figure out a workaround/solution without implementing everything the customer says they want > Because from experience, what they say they want is probably not what they actually need Well, how do you figure this out without talking "deeply" with customers about the problems they want solved?

lsenjov 2021-05-02T07:32:51.042600Z

Not quite what I'm meaning. More that if you're talking to the customers it's easy to get wrapped up emotionally in what they're after. Having someone there who can logically smooth that out afterwards works wonders

lsenjov 2021-05-02T07:33:09.042800Z

Or at least, gives a better view on what they need to go back and ask the customer about further to dig deeper

lsenjov 2021-05-02T07:34:42.043Z

We've had a few incidents of getting emotionally mixed and developing things we really didn't need to, when something simpler/completely different was actually what was needed

lsenjov 2021-05-02T07:35:00.043200Z

And only really finding out later when the customer asking for it still wasn't happy

lsenjov 2021-05-02T07:37:44.043400Z

So... you still have someone having proper conversations with clients, but having the extra impassionate layer to question has done wonders

anonimitoraf 2021-05-03T00:03:42.043800Z

Oh right. Well, someone has to do the "emotion-filtering" process then, right?

lsenjov 2021-04-29T22:18:40.038100Z

(basically what I'm doing now)

lsenjov 2021-04-29T22:18:50.038200Z

Also good morning 👋

Oliver George 2021-04-29T22:44:46.038400Z

Morning all.

slabruyere 2021-04-29T23:45:29.038600Z

IndieHackers -style ? 😉

slabruyere 2021-04-29T23:46:02.039200Z

Good morning, and thanks for your thoughts, it's very useful 🙂

Hugh Powell 2021-04-29T23:47:05.039500Z

Morning folks. 👋