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dominicm 2020-10-10T06:57:19.341Z

Morning. House to myself this weekend.

dominicm 2020-10-10T06:57:59.342100Z

I wish it was in another few weeks so I could noodle around with a new pc build & Linux install.

2020-10-10T09:34:51.342300Z

Morning

2020-10-10T09:35:21.342900Z

@thomas how did the hinting go in the end?

thomas 2020-10-10T09:46:48.344100Z

Got it fixed in the end. Only to find out that someone else had a PR already that does the same.

thomas 2020-10-10T09:47:02.344600Z

But I learned something so that is good

2020-10-10T10:06:38.344800Z

😃

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2020-10-10T10:06:51.345200Z

Congrats on the release @borkdude

dominicm 2020-10-10T18:44:21.349Z

I'm watching a 1990 documentary on hypertext with Douglas Adams and Tom Baker. The key underlying idea that seems missing from the implementation is backlinks from Xanadu. We seem to have filled that idea with search engines by allowing you to search any piece of text, but it's not really the same I guess.

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2020-10-11T14:33:07.353500Z

Roam (and org-roam) do backlnks

2020-10-11T14:36:31.353700Z

I remember the old days when blogs and wikis used to do back links

dominicm 2020-10-11T15:13:00.353900Z

Roam is closed world, so are blogs and wikis really. Hypertext seems so excited about this open world system.

practicalli-john 2020-10-11T17:23:50.354100Z

Yes, it's the complete openness I am missing and of course having my own Tom Baker agent to interacte with. This vision still seems a long way ahead of the present day experience.

dominicm 2020-10-11T20:47:47.354300Z

I liked the neaderthal

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dominicm 2020-10-11T20:47:49.354500Z

Bit more my level

thomas 2020-10-10T18:57:30.349900Z

Backlinks would be such an improvement over what we have now.

thomas 2020-10-10T18:58:04.350500Z

There was once a whole article about Xanadu in Wired years ago. facinating read

dominicm 2020-10-10T19:04:03.350800Z

Seems to have been some serious vaporware

practicalli-john 2020-10-10T19:54:38.351Z

That documtary was responsible for started my journey into a career in software engineering. I have fond memories of it.

dominicm 2020-10-10T20:00:27.351200Z

Woah. It's on http://archive.org if you fancy a rewatch.

dominicm 2020-10-10T20:00:49.351400Z

What's your take on the whole backlink thing?

dominicm 2020-10-10T20:15:38.351600Z

I guess the semantic web does some of this. I bet you can assert a backlink with OWL somehow, and you could collect these backlinks as you traverse the web. Although that kind of open-ended indexing would need to be outsourced to a google and lazily fetched, but it could be fairly distributed. Also we now have a standard, WebMentions, which helps here.

thomas 2020-10-10T20:16:42.352100Z

the ultimate vaporware

practicalli-john 2020-10-10T20:56:13.352200Z

I was most curious about the interconnected nature of all the disparate information and an agent to bring it all together. I think we are still a long way from the experience that Douglas Adams dreamed of. I nearly did a phd on intelligent agents at University, partly because of this program. I think there is a lot of research into that which is still not part of the Internet experience.