Clojurians Log v2

Morning! Surf’s up! :man-surfing:

Early mornings, ugh.

Good morning!

👋

Morning

Morning! I got soaked on the way to the nursery but a warm tea at home makes up for it 🙂

Good friday morning!

@orestis what kind of tea if I may ask?

Morgen!

Yogi green tea ginger & lemon.

moin moin

morning

morning

morning

Morning! Warm enough in Berlin to go out for a run! Feels good to keep a little active this winter.

I had a nice 1:30h walk yesterday, it was nice to see a little bit of sun again

no bad weather. only wrong clothing

but then I did get wet up to my knees while cycling and then kept cycling for a few hours in -1C

it was fine until I got a headwind and then I noticed how not windproof my shoes were

My wife bought me some nice chocolates from the UK and now we have to pay 160kr to PostNord to import them into Denmark 😞

Thanks Obama Brexit

And thanks PostNord for charging an obscene amount.

they never fail to disappoint

what did you get?

what kind of chocs are worth exporting from the UK

quite partial to a bit of https://www.highlandchocolatier.com myself

and still think fondly of https://www.spruengli.ch/ from our time in Zuerich

but I dont suppose I will importing any Spruengli any time soon

the heavy price of Taking Back Control

Regular ol’ Flake is great.

do you think Kraft have altered the Cadbury's recipes for the worse?

No idea, I haven’t really been following that development 🙂

I would say, if you are old enough, yes, if you are young enough, no.

That would be Toldvæsenet, though, wouldn’t it? Post Nord doesn’t levy taxes. I’ve had that stupid high duty or duty handling fee or whatever is on some imports from the US too.

Remind me to never again enter into a discussion with the Rust crowd on Hacker News. What a vicious bunch of downvoters.

you cannot get Rust without corrosiveness

I don’t even know how you downvote on Hackers News, I just get an upvote button and nothing else…

As far as I understood the letter (my Danish isn’t there yet) PostNord charges you a fee, but it’s not clear how much of that they pass on to the tolls...

I got this https://www.the-chocolatier.co.uk/ - it was really well made but not enough to try to import from outside the EU :(

Ovomaltine dark!

I have a stash I restock regularly when I go back in Switzerland. But I am sure you can find it online for cheap, it's nothing fancy but it's really good

@simongray what was the topic?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25867693

Yes that’s the one. Not too bad now, but most of the comments I made instantly made it to -2 or -3 only to resurface in the positive numbers a bit later. I don’t usually find the comment section on HN that downvote-crazy.

Usually what happens is that it gets stuck in Told and the delivery is put on hold until you pay the fee. I don’t think Post Nord are allowed to charge you extra, so I assume all of it goes towards paying the fee.

Every online community eventually turns into Twitter

Isn’t Reddit even worse?

sbd, posted a post from my blog there this week, and it got downvoted in the negatives on /r/programming, because it was about Oracle DB, which was too sacrilegious

they’re different flavours of bad

and /r/programming is a terrible subreddit

I think the “bad” flows into all subreddits after some time

yeah, you’re probably right

but /r/programming is just incredibly bad at providing any interesting content

Aren’t the top posts mostly identical to HN?

maybe the top 3 posts of hacker news have reruns on /r/programming the next day, but most of whats on /r/programming is shitty blogspam

it’s quite incredible how little interesting content surfaces there given it has (checks reddit) more than 3 million subscribers

Could be related to the algorithm, it’s really intransparent what floats to the top.

maybe

I mostly just look at NH, /r/programming and of course /r/clojure

old reddit, not that new fangled version that is an abomination.

I check HN and /r/clojure (old reddit too, of course), but these days most of the interesting discussions take place here on Clojurians Slack, which kinda sucks since its so ephemeral.

Life is ephemeral

I'm glad a place like this exists, makes a great coffee corner substitute.

Haha... https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20210117/FLXATT4LKVBGVEBRLAECJPTCHM/

LMAO

That’s so China

…and RIP Flash. I learned to how program with Flash 5.

One of my first gigs, many many moons ago was putting together the very first website for Alton Towers (a large Amusement Park in the UK - very popular). That was all done in the first versions of Flash.

I always managed to avoid Flash, also PHP/MySQL mostly

Right now I'm trying to avoid Kubernetes and microservices

Flash was so intuitive to use. I used it to make cartoons in Flash 3 when I was a little kid and then when Flash 5 came out my brother taught me basic ActionScript so that I could make little games too. I must have been 11 or 12 years old. It's too bad what happened with Flash. Despite its limitations, it really an awesome development environment.

Its reputation is undeserved IMO.

@borkdude also trying to avoid k8s. Luckily I don't work do anything that requires more than a single server at a time.

How did you manage to avoid PHP?

I was a student, many people around me used it at that time (starting little companies to make websites for car companies, etc), but I just wasn't interested enough that I tried it.

And after that I never had a boss who forced me to use it

Ironically I recently deployed my first PHP, to create a clj-kondo playground. https://clj-kondo.michielborkent.nl/ The php source is here: https://github.com/borkdude/clj-kondo.web/blob/master/resources/public/server.php So maybe in a decade or so I will have used my first k8s

That's so backwards. 😆 I think PHP was fine for its time. It was open source unlike ASP, had a big standard library and it embedded into HTML code unlike Perl. And basically every cheap web host let you use PHP at the time I learned it. I don't really understand why people want to use it nowadays though. Why didn't you just go with Clojure?

Because this way I could just hook it up to nginx and the clj-kondo binary

I use it as a minimal bit of glue

I see.

and I couldn't find an easier way to glue nginx and a binary outputting some text together

I now see this code is really kind of old, since clj-kondo can also output json now... https://github.com/borkdude/clj-kondo.web/blob/b06976b6e50fd025bcd247ecd1621a9a8543c948/src/clj_kondo/web.cljs#L159

and I'm parsing the raw text output there ;P

Heh, I started my life as a professional dev with PHP. The company I started at used mainly COBOL and ILE/RPG, and my trainer there was not comfortable with me learning in 2008 and knowing nothing about OOP. Luckily they introduced Java 2 years later

COBOL, cool

In Norway PostNord does the interaction with the customs for you, and for that service they charge a fee. So it’s duty + fee. Which sucks for cheap items.

Not when you are 18 😄