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2021-03-12T07:00:41.014800Z

Morning

djm 2021-03-12T07:27:33.015Z

šŸ‘‹

javahippie 2021-03-12T07:35:28.015200Z

Morning!

mccraigmccraig 2021-03-12T07:43:44.015400Z

mƄnmawn

simongray 2021-03-12T07:55:23.015600Z

Morning

plexus 2021-03-12T07:55:39.015800Z

Happy Friday!

agile_geek 2021-03-12T07:59:27.016100Z

Bore da :welsh_flag:

mccraigmccraig 2021-03-12T08:05:17.024200Z

do you always have to wear the helmet in public now @agile_geek?

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:06:07.024700Z

I have to wear a mask in public.... Govt says so.

mccraigmccraig 2021-03-12T08:09:37.025100Z

but once you're a mandalorian, there's no taking it off ever in public - it's the rules!

mccraigmccraig 2021-03-12T08:09:56.025300Z

lol - nice change!

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:10:07.025500Z

There changed my mask.... Just for you!

mccraigmccraig 2021-03-12T08:12:33.026300Z

looking good, iron man!

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:20:55.028Z

I keep telling my youngest daughter that you don't ever see me and Tony Stark in the same room at the same time, coincidence? I think not. BTW I am exactly the same height and 2 days older than Robert Downey Jr. .... but his bank balance is a bit larger!

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:05:30.024600Z

I just booked my vaccination appointments (cos I'm old!). But I had to get up at 2:30am to do it! I tried over 20 times yesterday but the web app either showed no bookable timeslots for the location selected or the timeslots I picked had gone by the time I got the confirm button. The NHS (England) web app takes you thru 8 pages to pick location and time slot for two appointments and whoever wrote it didn't think holding the chosen timeslot with a TTL might be a good idea! I hate to say this is a result of outsourcing but it's a direct result of outsourcing development to large consultancy!

ordnungswidrig 2021-03-14T11:18:45.036700Z

Thatā€™s important. Actually more vaccination puts preassure to evolve onto the viruses. Thatā€™s why itā€™s also important to keep the infections down. In communities with a lot of infections, e.g. parts of south africa or part of brazil, we saw the virus to evolve to be more aggressive. This makes sense to me from an evolutionary point of view.

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:07:48.024900Z

Looking forward to a large tech company ā€œhelpingā€ to build the german vaccination passport with 5(!) blockchains

simongray 2021-03-12T08:10:26.025700Z

From what I hear in the news, the Danish booking system is also pretty shit, experiencing similar issues.

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:10:42.025900Z

I would laugh but I think u may be right!

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:11:24.026100Z

(Itā€™s indeed IBM with a german startup, and they did mention 5 blockchains)

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:13:35.026500Z

I wondered how such a system would be set up efficiently. You get vaccinated, you get a printed QR code, and everytime sbd scans it, the system verifies you got your shot. So you store 80 million datasets at max, with maybe 500 read requests per second in peak times? This is more than you can safely handle with ā€œdatabase and synchronous HTTP callā€, but not too heavy, is it?

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:14:05.026700Z

The thing is it wouldn't have needed much more than RDS database with a table of timeslots with TTL timestamp and the NHS number (which u need to apply and they give u in the letters sent out). I'd prefer a key value store with compare and swap fns but a relational DB would work

solf 2021-03-12T08:14:20.026900Z

With a vaccine distribution network powered by IBM Blockchain, manufacturers can proactively monitor for adverse events and improve recall management. Distributers can gain real-time visibility and enhanced ability to respond to supply chain disruptions. Dispensers can improve inventory management and safety monitoring. Citizens can trust the vaccines and confidently return to society.
Yikes šŸ˜ž

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agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:14:37.027100Z

Crap!

solf 2021-03-12T08:15:58.027300Z

Thanks ibm blockchain, I wouldn't be able to trust vaccines without you.

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:17:12.027600Z

I suspect it's a German thing about personal ownership of health records? (& data in general). Like the data hosting rules?

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:20:22.027800Z

I donā€™t think that this will be a public blockchain providing personal ownership at all, itā€™s meant as a tech demo for ā€œGerman Engineering šŸ’Ŗā€. But yes, anonymization and data protection are held very high in germany, in general

agile_geek 2021-03-12T08:22:32.028200Z

I think that's a good thing in principle (UK could learn from Germany) BUT the devils in the detail and the implementation is everything.

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:25:18.028400Z

Iā€™m also a big fan. Itā€™s easy to point at data protection and say ā€œIf we did not have that, we could be much faster and more successfulā€, but thatā€™s a red herring

dharrigan 2021-03-12T08:31:04.028700Z

Good Morning!

dharrigan 2021-03-12T08:32:21.028800Z

Good for the environment, all this computational power being devoted to blockchains!

javahippie 2021-03-12T08:35:40.029Z

Iā€™m wondering why Iā€™m defending IBM, but their blockchain has a central certificate authority, signing all the transactions. Which makes the whole blockchain completely pointless, but at least more energy-efficient šŸ˜

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pez 2021-03-12T08:37:05.029400Z

Good morning!

solf 2021-03-12T09:30:57.029600Z

That's... somehow worse šŸ˜…

ordnungswidrig 2021-03-12T09:38:22.029900Z

Good morning!

ordnungswidrig 2021-03-12T09:39:18.030Z

I read ā€œblockchainā€ for the german vaccination proof and was sure this is not ā€œblockchainā€ but something with distributed signed transactions

ordnungswidrig 2021-03-12T09:39:22.030200Z

šŸ™‚

ordnungswidrig 2021-03-12T09:39:42.030400Z

Itā€™s blockchain in a way that scrum is scrum.

synthomat 2021-03-12T09:57:31.030800Z

Good day! Long time no read!

mpenet 2021-03-12T10:01:57.031Z

howdy

thomas 2021-03-12T10:14:01.031200Z

morning

2021-03-12T10:32:39.031300Z

Surely we only need Blockchain here if we think the entire German state is going to fail and we need an independent store of the data?

šŸ˜‚ 2
2021-03-12T10:34:26.031500Z

And vaccine passports are silly if vaccinated people can still be infectious. The thing we need to track is population immunity. This is even setting aside the human and civil rights issues

agile_geek 2021-03-12T10:41:19.031800Z

@otfrom whatā€™s the latest research on vaccinated ppl being infectious? I thought they were unlikely to be?

2021-03-12T10:55:51.032Z

they are unlikely to be, but we don't really know yet. New variations might also get past the vaccines, but we don't know (we keep learning as we go along)

šŸ‘ 2
2021-03-12T10:56:49.032200Z

basically getting infections down as low as possible reduces the chances of new variants and means that people are unlikely to get it. Saying that an individual is safe is a stronger claim that should be backed up by stronger evidence

reefersleep 2021-03-12T12:59:51.032700Z

Goddag alle sammen šŸ™‚

borkdude 2021-03-12T13:00:25.033Z

morning

raymcdermott 2021-03-12T13:05:21.033200Z

morning

slipset 2021-03-12T13:46:29.034300Z

BTW, I donā€™t know if you remember me rambling about optimizing data.json? Anyways, now itā€™s somewhat on its way: https://clojure.atlassian.net/browse/DJSON-31

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2021-03-12T15:10:00.034700Z

w00t!

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2021-03-12T15:10:07.035Z

that will make my life a bit faster. Thx!

2021-03-12T21:05:38.036300Z

I'll have more time to be bored? Or do something else?