Clojurians Log v2

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Ah, something to go with the coffee would be sweet! Morning, btw. 😃

Morning

Morning!

morning

So finished up removing our old java based logging and replacing it with timbre. In doing so I had to read a bit of the source for timbre, which is kind’a interesting. Fairly different from how I write code 🙂 Not passing judgement, just observations.

We've been using timbre for a long time and it serves us well.

mogge

morning

@slipset what's notable in particular?

good morning!

@simongray Like this top-level let with defs inside https://github.com/ptaoussanis/timbre/blob/master/src/taoensso/timbre.cljc#L244

Indentation here https://github.com/ptaoussanis/timbre/blob/master/src/taoensso/timbre.cljc#L337 is somewhat unusual to me?

Recorded my talk...

@slipset let over lambda is a useful pattern, if you want to share data between functions but not necessarily want to expose that data as top-level vars

But it's less usual than just defining some private vars I guess

Unrelated, but map-vals seems to me to be an indicator of the wrong data-structure.

Morning

wow a let to define private bindings, quite cool

someone should write a book about let over lambda

I find I don't use map-vals as I'll often want to (into {] (map (fn [[k v]] [k (something-to-v-possibly-based-on-k k v)) my-map)

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@otfrom I think you're looking for http://weavejester.github.io/medley/medley.core.html#var-map-kv-vals 🙂

Nah, I type it right when paredit helps me

I like it when paredit helps me. I don't like it when paredit prevents me from fixing a mistake.

My workaround is usually to go into text-mode and then fix it manually 😨

How would it stop you from fixing a mistake?

if you have something like this: ([)]

there's just nothing I can do to fix it within paredit-mode, it doesn't let me

C-u C-d lets you delete stuff, no?

Isn't that the clj-kondo logo?

similar with smartparens - you have to toggle smartparens-strict-mode afaik

@djm_uk no, that doesn't work in that situation, at least not in my editor

@mccraigmccraig ah that's the one

@borkdude you probably should use a modern editor

I like basic terminal editors

so tl;dr: I am using smartparens and I have to disable strict mode to be able to fix it

Maybe @raymcdermott means Calva. Really hard to type that with Calva Paredit. But fixing it is easy. alt+backspace to delete stuff w/o balance check. And also, a lot of unbalanced stuff you can just backspace.

I'm assuming Calva is epic, also with Cursive you can easily switch between structural editing between paredit / parinfer / none

Haha, but, yes, easy to switch to CaveMan mode in Calva.

smartparens works with html and stuff too, iirc?

Fwiw, with Emacs + paredit, C-u C-d lets me fix that scenario. As does two lots of M-s (`paredit-splice-sexp`). No idea about smartparens - I couldn't make it work the same as paredit so gave up on it

lol, C-u 0 C-d let me unbalance a sexp with smartparens, but also seems to have crashed my emacs 🙈

Or you can just yank it and then C-q ( the right thing back in

(yanking w/o using select sexp or forward sexp being when I tend to mess up my parens)