clojure-europe

For people in Europe... or elsewhere... UGT https://indieweb.org/Universal_Greeting_Time
djm 2021-06-10T05:30:57.389200Z

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orestis 2021-06-10T06:01:24.390800Z

Good morning! Do the long summer days and sunshine impact your energy levels too? I sleep less than ever but still don’t feel sleepy at night. Curious to hear if it’s a thing for others too

djm 2021-06-10T06:06:51.391600Z

Heat is tiring, and if it’s very hot I struggle to get to sleep, but generally I don’t have any troubles with that

kardan 2021-06-10T06:13:00.391800Z

Good morning

jkxyz 2021-06-10T06:52:26.393500Z

Good morning! I always feel more rested in the summer because the sunrise waking me up naturally helps me to not oversleep. But the heat can be draining. I’m used to British summers and here it’s normal to be 30 degrees or more in the summer

2021-06-10T06:57:29.394200Z

Figuring out when to sleep is tricky when it is still light outside at 11

slipset 2021-06-10T07:04:54.395800Z

I’ve been/felt extremely unproductive the last couple of weeks. Not quite sure why, but it might be that with the nice weather I prefer to be outside rather than put in a couple of extra hours in the evening.

borkdude 2021-06-10T07:05:53.396800Z

Summer isn’t good for my productivity either. Heat and hay fever.

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slipset 2021-06-10T07:05:59.396900Z

Seems like this can be backed up by github:

slipset 2021-06-10T07:06:49.398Z

On the other hand, my skateboarding has improved quite a bit 🙂

djm 2021-06-10T07:08:18.398600Z

Is 20 a number (of commits?), or a time (8pm)?

slipset 2021-06-10T07:09:40.398800Z

number of commits.

slipset 2021-06-10T07:15:04.404100Z

It’s a metric about as useless as LOC, but I’ve found that it has some value. In a somewhat ideal world this metric would stay somewhat constant. As you see in my graph, I’m somewhat on a roller coster it seems. If I were my manager, I’d find that interesting, and might use that as a basis for a discussion. Not because one should have a constant flow of commits, but when your rate of commits suddenly drops, it might be an indication of something that should be handled. So, not at all advocating using a metric like this to compare devs to other devs, but rather to use as an invitation to a discussion if there are huge variations in the rates of commits.

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jasonbell 2021-06-10T07:19:01.404300Z

Morning

dharrigan 2021-06-10T07:58:04.405900Z

Holda!

pez 2021-06-10T08:04:07.406100Z

Morning!

pez 2021-06-10T08:06:30.408200Z

The rate of commits can vary for tons of reasons. Pair, or mob programming being one. Or shift of focus from committing new bugs or fixes over to testing. Or, whatever. Even if some of the reasons could be valid concerns, I think I would be uncomfortable with my manager bringing up stats like that as a basis for discussions.

Jakob Durstberger 2021-06-10T08:09:15.408500Z

Morning 👋

2021-06-10T08:15:53.412100Z

always beware Goodheart's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

djm 2021-06-10T08:24:12.413700Z

Wasn’t that slipset’s point - don’t use if for a metric, but have a conversation, and see if it’s for a good/neutral reason, or if there’s a problem. Needs to be approached carefully, and the environment needs to be right, etc etc

djm 2021-06-10T08:26:59.414800Z

Could be a sign that someone’s struggling, could be a sign that support are coming to them too often, could be a sign that they’re taken on extra responsibility and need a pay rise/promotion 😁

slipset 2021-06-10T08:28:01.415300Z

@djm_uk Exactly.

simongray 2021-06-10T08:30:40.419600Z

morning

pez 2021-06-10T08:30:40.419700Z

On @otfrom’s tangent, I get reminded of John James Cowperthwaite, Governor of Hong Kong during the 1960's who “forbid” national statistics on the basis that that would create inefficiencies. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Cowperthwaite: > He was once asked what the key thing that poor countries could do to improve their growth. He replied: “They should abolish the office of national statistics.”

pez 2021-06-10T08:31:11.420400Z

OK, so not governor, but anyway.

slipset 2021-06-10T08:31:29.421Z

Basically. As a manager you should be observing a bunch of signals coming from the people you manage. Rate of commits could be one such signal. None of these signals should be treated as authoritative, but variance in them could invite to a discussion to see if there are underlying problems. Case in point. One of our most productive programmers had its productivity drop to zero in March last year. If I were its manager, I would have had a talk basically saying “We understand, times are hard, take care of yourself and your family”.

2021-06-10T08:54:28.421900Z

true, but sometimes commits drop to zero b/c they are helping team mates and not doing commits themselves (as mentioned above)

2021-06-10T08:54:45.422300Z

but yeah, lots of signals help. Just have to be careful in how they are interpreted

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2021-06-10T08:55:01.422700Z

just remember - numbers about life aren't real, they are just a record of things that have been counted 🙂

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2021-06-10T08:55:07.422900Z

and very, very, very lossy

2021-06-10T08:55:13.423100Z

but still sometimes useful

reefersleep 2021-06-10T09:18:23.424500Z

Good morning

reefersleep 2021-06-10T09:21:13.424700Z

https://imgflip.com/i/5crel0

borkdude 2021-06-10T09:22:08.425100Z

@reefersleep Building up tolerance? ;)

reefersleep 2021-06-10T09:22:22.425300Z

Hahaha I wish

reefersleep 2021-06-10T09:22:57.426100Z

Never more than 2, never later than 15, @borkdude

pez 2021-06-10T09:26:52.426900Z

I have 10 cups a day on average. Throughout the day and often one just before bed time. 😃

reefersleep 2021-06-10T09:28:53.428500Z

That's crazy! Though, I can imagine that I'll have to up my dosage when we have the next kid, so I have sympathy for your situation 👶:skin-tone-2:

borkdude 2021-06-10T09:29:09.428700Z

@pez no sleep problems? :)

borkdude 2021-06-10T09:30:01.429400Z

I get crazy withdrawal symptoms when I deviate too much from my normal coffee dosage. Same with normal number of commits.

pez 2021-06-10T09:33:00.430800Z

Recently I have started to wake up quite early, but I have attributed that to age (we have a word “gubbvakna” in Swedish, don’t know how official, but it alludes to that old people wale up early).

borkdude 2021-06-10T09:33:37.431700Z

it is common with age yes. also in summer, I tend to wake up earlier because of all the frigging light

mccraigmccraig 2021-06-10T09:42:31.432400Z

blackout blinds work very well for me

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thomas 2021-06-10T09:44:53.432600Z

morning

ordnungswidrig 2021-06-10T10:07:49.432900Z

moin!

reefersleep 2021-06-10T10:48:50.434900Z

@borkdude frig that light. I've come to appreciate dark, rainy days so much more than sunny days during the past few years. I kid you not, I get giddy when I see dark clouds.

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kardan 2021-06-10T11:46:31.435400Z

I’m subscribing to gubbvakna. Pair it with a lunch nap 🙂

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ordnungswidrig 2021-06-10T12:25:47.435700Z

haha, in german we say "senile Bettflucht"

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ordnungswidrig 2021-06-10T12:26:02.435900Z

(which has a pseudo medical conotation)

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jasonbell 2021-06-10T13:07:51.436600Z

@reefersleep Come to Northern Ireland, you’d love it here! No sun for days on end.

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jasonbell 2021-06-10T13:08:05.437Z

We had a partial eclipse of the cloud today! 🙂

orestis 2021-06-10T13:36:26.438Z

I'm moving back to Greece this summer. I'll let you know if my energy levels grow or climb. Much more mellow sunrise/sunset cycles but a lot more sunlight on average.

pez 2021-06-11T07:10:00.457700Z

I’d be most happy with a state that doesn’t take care of anything at all. 😃

orestis 2021-06-11T07:25:43.458300Z

I would love to have a chat about that, because I strongly disagree! But we might need to wait for an in-person Clojure conference! ❤️

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pez 2021-06-11T07:56:24.459300Z

Looking forward!

reefersleep 2021-06-13T21:57:15.464900Z

Damn, that’s a tough decision! I fully sympathise with your reasoning. We moved back to the other end of the country to be closer to family after the birth, and I’m so happy we did, even if socialising with family can be…. hmmm… challenging at times (he wrote at the tail end of a weekend spent with the in-laws)

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reefersleep 2021-06-13T21:57:49.465100Z

I hope it’ll turn out for the best all around 🙌

orestis 2021-06-10T13:36:43.438500Z

In other sunny topics, whereabouts should I look to hire a Wordpress freelancer to hack on our corporate website?

reefersleep 2021-06-10T16:34:22.439100Z

Just for the summer?

orestis 2021-06-10T17:29:52.440100Z

Nope, leaving for good :( the hardest decision of my life now that we have a daughter…

orestis 2021-06-10T17:30:41.441700Z

COVID made this both possible but also necessary. It obliterated completely all of our social lives (most of our friends moved away) and raising a child with no support network is tough.

orestis 2021-06-10T17:31:12.442800Z

Also the timing is right for my wife to get started in academia which in Copenhagen at least turned out to be a dead end…

dominicm 2021-06-10T19:10:07.443300Z

Morning

2021-06-10T19:37:16.443700Z

Hi everybody! 😉

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simongray 2021-06-10T19:39:18.443800Z

Sad to hear that, but good luck making things work out in Greece.

raymcdermott 2021-06-10T19:48:58.444100Z

morning

borkdude 2021-06-10T20:01:46.444300Z

Morning

2021-06-10T20:10:00.444600Z

So if I understand correctly, it is common on a europe channel to say "morning" in the evening haha 😂

2021-06-10T20:10:33.444900Z

So...morning

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pez 2021-06-10T20:31:44.445Z

And in the morning. 😃 See link in the topic.

2021-06-10T20:35:12.445300Z

Oh, TIL UGT! Thanks for the information @pez ;-)

pez 2021-06-10T20:42:40.445600Z

Happy to be able to pay it forward! 😃

seancorfield 2021-06-10T21:23:47.445900Z

Mornin’ 🙂

2021-06-10T21:31:47.446100Z

Morning!