Clojurians Log v2
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Yeah and also if I provide a var alias in exec-path-from-shell-copy-env then Emacs GUI loads the variable, but the project has dozens of such vars, and I wonder why the library doesn’t automatically load login shell env-vars.
+1 to Prelude. Migrated from Spacemacs/Doom.
Morning 🙂
Presumably macOS doesn't make those available to applications. Doesn't exec-path-from-shell start a shell process to get them?
If I had a lot of variables, specific to one project, I would put exports for them in .envrc in the project directory, run direnv allow in there in a shell, then use envrc
Surprisingly enough I encountered the same issue in Emacs GUI in Manjaro Linux machine :thinking_face: I thought MacOS/M1 was to blame
Yeah, me too, but that’s how the client has it done across all projects.
Regarding shell process - not sure, is there a way to check?
On Linux, I think it depends on where you set them. Possibly /.profile is sourced when Xorg starts, but not /.bashrc (or the latter might exit early when not being used in an interactive shell).
Use the source, Luke 😁
@otfrom is this the Clojure equivalent of “finally got my sound card working on linux”? :satisfied:
Morning
Morning
Lol
If I buy Linux hardware the way I buy Mac hardware then I don't have that problem.
What way is that?
hehe
I just check that things are compatible
I can't remember the last time I had hardware problems with Linux tbh, seems like a thing of the past.
I had a video card issue but it works beautifully in WSL2 👿
Oh that's true, Nvidia+video cards is a bit balls. I do buy AMD because of that.
Eventually I got it working though
Morning!
I look at the pain my wife goes through on her work Windows machine and count my lucky stars
what would be a nice, relatively light, linux compatible and very performant laptop with 64gb of memory in 2021? I'm waiting for the new 16" macbook pros + m1(x) processors to appear, but I'm keeping an eye on alternatives too. not buying right now, just looking.
I tried prelude for a bit, and it is good but more than I needed but not hitting what I wanted, and I felt there was too much for me to get my head around to configure it as I liked
I recommend it to people who aren't old and crusty like me tho as it is pretty good
64gb of memory? What are you doing? Running slack and spotify?!
2What size?
Of screen
I've upgraded laptops 3 times in the last 4 years for work, because one component is very memory hungry. Also GraalVM is faster if you give it more memory.
15"
I've been finding recent Macs developer antagonistic lately
Dell XPS 15 is what comes to mind @borkdude. I don't think they ship with Linux, but I've known many people use them happily with Linux.
Have you considered buying a desktop? 😄
I have a desktop with 128GB and Ryzen processor
but I find myself working on my laptop more just because I like to sit around the house in different spots
ThinkPad is always my go to for Linux laptop. They get worse over time, but the keyboard is still the best
I liked Prelude as it's less work than starting from scratch, and there's less that I wanted to undo compared to Doom. The end goal may be to get rid of Prelude one day, but not yet.
I do use the desktop for heavy duty work in the background
@borkdude that was my next suggestion 😄
I've tried all kinds of "remote REPL" stuff, RDP, etc, but there's just always that network in the middle
which doesn't make it as convenient as working directly on the machine
Is the RDP latency that bad? Or some other problem?
it's doable
but it's just more convenient to have everything on the same machine. e.g also when traveling
(what's traveling again btw?)
I'm getting my second jab today...
2❤️last time I almost passed out, hopefully it's better today ;)
4❤️Dell precision 7550 can come with Ubuntu pre installed and does 64gb
And is 15"
And thin
@otfrom wow it even has 96gb mem
@borkdude Yeah if you travel a lot then I get it 🙂
even 128gb
All the gbs
You can always just use http://downloadmoreram.com ofc
Anyone know of a way to syntax highlight code to SVG? I can only find very cumbersome ways to do it.
1❌
Next :clojureD 2021 talk by Nicole Rauch now online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ulbfjwh45Y
This is also the last :clojureD 2021 talk that @martinklepsch has hosted and I would like to take the opportunity to thank you, Martin, for all your work and support for the conference for so many years! 💝 I roll in the dust before you, screaming "Thank you so much!" while raising glasses. 🍻 (All at the same time and leaving quit a mess, but I'll clean that up later.)
6❤️4🙏Funny enough the precision, with similar memory, ssd and CPU config, is almost equally expensive to the Macbook Pro 2019 I bought, which has similar specs but a much better screen and trackpad (admitted, the keyboard sucks, but it hasn't given me any problems so far)
@chokheli I doubt I could even live as remote as you do in Denmark! My “in the country” vision is much more lightweight than what you’re experiencing.
I imagine being 1 km 🙏 from the nearest neighbour or something like that. Could be closer, too. The important bit is being free from other humans’ noise, and being able to be as noisy as we want ourselves (the latter being less important 🙂, but still)
Green surroundings would be great, too.
Apart from actually finding a suitable place, I imagine our lack of handyness being the biggest obstacle. We’re both keyboard jockeys, not wrench wranglers.
same here :)
You want to move out, too?
no I mean, I'm not a handyman, more a computer man ;)
@chokheli sounds like it’s really good for you, even with the challenges accounted for 🙂
@borkdude how about the wife? We both regret not having learned more handy stuff yet, and not having partnered up with a practical person 😅
hehe. well, if I really must I can do some stuff, but I'd rather let it handle by someone professional if it has to look good
we live an apartment and have very little to care about, luckily
but naturally you don't get the benefits from a garden, etc
we just go into the city's park or sit on some terrace if it's sunny outside (like today)
so we have a free garden experience without the actual work of it :P
1😎I got tired of living in apartments some years ago, actually, but we didn’t get around to moving to a house before this year.
we stayed in my parent's house while they were on vacation last year for a week
I continually lost where I kept my stuff because the house was so big (much bigger than our apartment)
It’s weird how preferences change. I mean, it’s logical, from how your experiences impact you, but going through the change yourself is kind of odd. My parents live 2km from the nearest neighbour and 5 km from the center of the shitty town where I went to school. I thought it sucked back then, but now I’m kind of envious.
yeah, when I was 18 I was glad I could leave the shitty town of my parents and to be honest, didn't look back ever since
We just visited them yesterday, and they have huge forests, fields and lots of trees in their gigantic garden, all surrounding them.
whenever I'm back there I wonder: how could I have lived here for so long, it's such a boring town
hehe
hahaha
When I used to work in the supermarket in the shitty town, I sometimes talked to a talkative, cool guy. And once, he said “I bet you’re wondering why I moved here.” I can’t remember what he answered, but I’m still wondering. Whyyyyyyy would you move there.
Still, I’m aiming to move to a house outside of what I expect to be an equally shitty place. I mean, I’d love for it to be better, but odds are it’ll be small and boring, that kind of comes with the distance and quiet that I’m aiming for.
> the keyboard sucks "You're holding it wrong!" 😂
I mean the mac 2019 keyboard
It's super heavy tho
And quite large
My wife has a 16inch mbp, we hate having to carry that monster when traveling
The power adapter is also heavy
which one is super heavy? I don't have the 16", I have the 15" 2019, with the still sucky keyboard. it's 1.85kg
I9 16inch, it's over 2kg i think
yeah for traveling I usually take a macbook air (1.35kg)
yeah that one is 2.05kg or so
My xps is 1.2 with a tiny adapter that i can also use for everything else (phone headphones etc)
13" ?
Yes
16gb mem or so?
Yes
It's not the most recent
I think 2019
that's about what I'm getting with the new macbook air too with super battery performance... it's quite attractive for traveling...
but probably more expensive too
Yeah same, I don't think I ever ran out of battery after a full day's work on battery
oh really, that sounds good
(are you still talking about the xps 13?)
Yes
I have the fhd non touch version as a personal laptop, it's even better on this one
But the screen is not as good as the work machine, but it's semi-mate
Anyway, it's all about trade offs
My wifes mbp screen is gorgeous
I think if cpu/ram becomes a bottleneck you might as well offload that to a vm somewhere
yeah, I have a huge desktop computer for the heavy work
Similar, I can spin a monster vm with up to 225GB of ram for free'ish potentially. Never had to do it
because you're at exoscale right
Yes
I would love to dumb down even more the Client (laptop) and run everything on the cloud really. Even if I wasn't workin for exo. That's somewhat imaginable with the phones/connectivity we have now
The only downside would be in planes, but I hate working in planes.
Oh I just noticed I could get 1000 euros of the Precision machine by selecting a lesser video card. I'm not playing games on this thing anyway
@mpenet well, I have tried such a setup with the huge desktop I have while working remotely on it from coffee bars, etc on my laptop
it works, but it's not perfect
I mean, there's always a certain delay no matter what
For some things it's ok. I d be ok with a delay on my repl, but not on general editing responsiveness
true
@mpenet btw, if you're interested, you could try: https://twitter.com/joel_kuiper/status/1407097109539663874 :) but exoscale is probably a better deal for you
This was cumbersome to do the manual way, I tell ya.
Footie’s on here. The Danes are going up or something. I don’t mind or care, except people are being loud about it 😞 Looking forward to move to the country eventually.
Any country dwellers here? How are you finding it?
I wish!
About the laptop thing. I'm working for a consulting company, if wfh stays as normal as it is, might opt for 'company desktops', you could build a really nice one for 3000 euro (roughly the price of MacBook pros). But if you occasionally do need to visit clients it's becomes a problem through.
just buy an extra macbook air 16gb for client visits?