clojure-greece

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:33:15.001330Z

@gtsiftsis: mou eixan steilei ena draft gia review, alla den vrhka pote ton xrono na to koitaksw

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:33:34.001331Z

@gtsiftsis: epishs, me ton Michael Gaare (ayton pou ekane to blog post) exw doulepsei sto idio project, kai tha elega oti o kwdikas tou pasxei apo java hangover

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:34:19.001333Z

opote den kserw an me enthousiazei to vivlio

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:35:24.001334Z

με τρομαζει ο clojure κωδικας που πασχει απο java hangover (lol τελειος χαρακτηρισμος, θα τον υιοθετησω)

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:35:37.001335Z

νιωθω σαν να μην ειναι για μενα η Clojure κατι τετοιες στιγμες

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:38:45.001336Z

@greenonion: vasika den htan heavy se interop, htan apla oti eixe protocols gia ta panta

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:39:14.001337Z

dhladh htan sa na sou leipei to OOP kai na theleis na to kaneis shoehorn se clojure

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:40:35.001338Z

ναι ναι κι εγω για τετοια μιλαω

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:40:41.001339Z

οχι αναγκαστικα interop

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:41:01.001340Z

προσωπικα με τρομαζει κι ο κωδικας του tellman

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:41:07.001341Z

ισως να μη γινονται αλλιως αυτα που κανει, δεν ξερω

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:42:55.001344Z

δες line 109 πχ

greenonion 2016-07-08T07:43:15.001345Z

ισως ειναι essential, no idea

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:44:01.001346Z

fainetai san kati pou an exeis diavasei to paper mporei na einai profanes

stathissideris 2016-07-08T07:49:54.001347Z

o Tellman telika POSA projects exei??

2016-07-08T08:07:56.001348Z

είναι λιγο huge

greenonion 2016-07-08T08:48:22.001349Z

απειρα, αλλο εψαχνα εντωμεταξυ

greenonion 2016-07-08T08:48:27.001350Z

αλλα δεν το βρηκα καν

stathissideris 2016-07-08T08:48:44.001351Z

poio

greenonion 2016-07-08T08:58:25.001352Z

νομιζω ηταν message queue

stathissideris 2016-07-08T09:53:03.001353Z

@greenonion: to lamina les?

stathissideris 2016-07-08T09:53:21.001354Z

https://github.com/ztellman/lamina

greenonion 2016-07-08T09:57:18.001356Z

νομιζω οχι

greenonion 2016-07-08T09:57:22.001357Z

παιζει να μην ειναι στο προσωπικο του gh

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:03:27.001358Z

to manifold?

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:03:47.001359Z

https://github.com/ztellman/manifold

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:06:20.001361Z

οχι ρε 🙂

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:06:29.001362Z

αυτο φανταζομαι εχει πολυ interop αναγκαστικα

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:07:58.001363Z

https://github.com/ztellman/dirigiste πωπω εχει και τετοια ε

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:08:00.001365Z

τιγκα java

palladin 2016-07-08T10:12:33.001366Z

Erotisi pros tous clojure practitioners Ston diko sas production clj codika poio programming style protimate kai me poia logiki ta kanete compose. px pure functions, functions me mutation, multi-methods, protocols, classic OOP

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:14:03.001368Z

το πρωτο

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:14:12.001369Z

το δευτερο ελαχιστες φορες με transients

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:14:25.001370Z

multi-methods και protocols avoid αν γινεται

greenonion 2016-07-08T10:14:39.001371Z

γιατι μυριζουν ΟΟP αν το παρακανεις

palladin 2016-07-08T10:15:54.001372Z

@greenonion: thnks gia tin apantisi

palladin 2016-07-08T10:16:31.001373Z

opote eisai se ena namespace

palladin 2016-07-08T10:16:46.001374Z

kai vazeis def kai defn

palladin 2016-07-08T10:17:10.001375Z

kai meneis input - output releationship

palladin 2016-07-08T10:17:28.001376Z

kai kapoies fores otan to epivalei to problem

palladin 2016-07-08T10:17:35.001377Z

vazeis set! atom ktlp

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:22:16.001379Z

@palladin: pure functions most of the time, kai to mutation to kanw base se pure functions epishs (giati to swap! pernei parametro kapoio pure function)

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:23:17.001380Z

@palladin: multimethods kai protocols kammia fora, alla akoma kai tote, sta protocols xwrizw to implementation apo to protocol gia na einai pio repl-friendly

palladin 2016-07-08T10:24:18.001381Z

@stathissideris: thnks

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:25:22.001382Z

@palladin: vasika nomizw den to eipa swsta. apofeygw to mutation pash thysia.

palladin 2016-07-08T10:26:07.001383Z

opote exoume oti kai oi dio protimate

palladin 2016-07-08T10:26:12.001384Z

pure functions

palladin 2016-07-08T10:27:01.001385Z

kai atomic set! or swap!

palladin 2016-07-08T10:27:05.001386Z

ean den ginete allios

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:28:05.001387Z

vasika swap! kai reset! (me seira protimishs)

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:28:53.001388Z

@palladin: to allo pattern pou den einai amesa profanes sthn clojure einai oti protimatai genika to data driven development

apod 2016-07-08T10:29:44.001389Z

to onyx to xrisimopoei sto megisto vathmo https://github.com/onyx-platform/onyx

palladin 2016-07-08T10:31:54.001393Z

nai genika to data driven einai stin katigoria oti pezo me pure functions kai katharo input-output

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:32:20.001394Z

nai, declarative mexri na anagkasteis apo thn pragmatikothta na exeis kapoio side-effect

palladin 2016-07-08T10:32:40.001395Z

opote ta side-effects ta sproxnete sto "telos" tou kosmou

palladin 2016-07-08T10:32:56.001396Z

opos stin Haskell einai to IO monad

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:36:09.001397Z

@palladin: ti les, tha grapseis tipota? 🙂

palladin 2016-07-08T10:36:50.001398Z

@stathissideris: clj ennoeis?

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:36:53.001399Z

nai

palladin 2016-07-08T10:38:57.001400Z

genika ta prosopika mou endiaferonta einai kapos makria apo tin lisp

palladin 2016-07-08T10:39:41.001401Z

milao panta gia night hacking time

palladin 2016-07-08T10:41:01.001402Z

dld xthes steilame ena paper sto POPL

palladin 2016-07-08T10:41:19.001403Z

kai eixame codika se MetaOcaml kai Scala

stathissideris 2016-07-08T10:41:31.001404Z

scala makes me cry

palladin 2016-07-08T10:41:59.001405Z

nai kai malista eimoun ego ypeuthinos gia to Scala piece

palladin 2016-07-08T10:42:35.001406Z

opote kai akadimaika den vlepo kapoion dromo na me steilei konta stin lisp

palladin 2016-07-08T10:43:22.001407Z

os day job ... einai poio pithano se scala (yparxoun perisoteres douleies eidika se big data)

palladin 2016-07-08T10:43:27.001408Z

alla pote den ksereis

palladin 2016-07-08T10:43:51.001409Z

pros to paron xerome tin lisp meso tis pareas pou kano me sas kai me to athens community

palladin 2016-07-08T10:47:31.001410Z

an kai oi epiroes mou einai kirios Haskell, OCaml

palladin 2016-07-08T10:47:42.001411Z

ean psaksete edo http://www.fssnip.net/authors/Nick+Palladinos

palladin 2016-07-08T10:47:49.001412Z

exo kai kapoia clojure

palladin 2016-07-08T10:47:51.001413Z

🙂

2016-07-08T10:49:55.001414Z

palladin true για την scala σε big data έχουν επενδύσεις πολλές εταιρείες

palladin 2016-07-08T10:50:47.001415Z

@gtsiftsis: Nai euxtixos h distixos

2016-07-08T10:50:59.001416Z

no idea θα το δείξει ο καιρός

palladin 2016-07-08T10:51:30.001417Z

ego pantos to hacking se scala to euxaristieme 😛

2016-07-08T10:51:52.001418Z

δεν εχω ασχοληθεί ποτέ

2016-07-08T10:53:55.001420Z

από την άλλη έχω αρχίσει και ευχαριστιέμαι την lisp 🙂

2016-07-08T10:54:47.001421Z

palladin παρήγγειλα και τα 'little ...' books

palladin 2016-07-08T10:55:05.001422Z

@gtsiftsis: Nai

palladin 2016-07-08T10:55:15.001423Z

perimeno na akouso gnomi

palladin 2016-07-08T10:55:24.001424Z

exo kai me auta erota

palladin 2016-07-08T10:55:48.001425Z

genika me tin lisp exo orees anamniseis opos tou protou erota

palladin 2016-07-08T10:56:27.001426Z

kai to community me voithaei na thimame pos itan na eisai eroteumenos gia proti fora

2016-07-08T10:56:55.001427Z

nice!

stathissideris 2016-07-08T11:00:14.001428Z

@palladin: pantws e me thn scala prospathisa, diavasa to miso vivlio tou Odersky kai mou fanhke terastia kai apofasisa na mhn asxolithw pote

palladin 2016-07-08T11:01:04.001429Z

@stathissideris: Ontos einai ligo terataki

greenonion 2016-07-08T11:07:52.001430Z

κι εγω καπως ετσι με τη Scala

greenonion 2016-07-08T11:08:05.001431Z

νομιζω εχει βρει απηχηση σε java-δες που ηθελαν κατι παραπανω

greenonion 2016-07-08T11:08:10.001432Z

αλλα χωρις να ξεβολευτουν κιολας

palladin 2016-07-08T11:32:19.001433Z

@greenonion: Yparxei kai ena pososto mikro

palladin 2016-07-08T11:32:34.001434Z

pou kanoun scala san na kanoun Haskell

palladin 2016-07-08T11:33:25.001435Z

me pure functons, monads ktlp

greenonion 2016-07-08T11:35:00.001436Z

εισαι μεσα σε αυτους να υποθεσω; 🙂

palladin 2016-07-08T11:36:44.001437Z

Kapoies fores... analoga poso abstract thelo na eimai

palladin 2016-07-08T11:37:10.001438Z

i scala exei ena feature pou legete Higher Kinded types

palladin 2016-07-08T11:37:27.001439Z

kai sou epitrepei na kaneis poli generic codika

palladin 2016-07-08T11:37:44.001440Z

opos px na kanei abstract to monad

palladin 2016-07-08T11:38:03.001441Z

kai na pezeis me monad transformers kai tetoia pragmata

palladin 2016-07-08T11:38:15.001442Z

auto tin kanei na miazei poli me Haskell

stathissideris 2016-07-08T12:15:34.001443Z

@palladin: thn frege thn exeis koitaksei katholou?

palladin 2016-07-08T12:20:55.001444Z

@stathissideris: Oxi,,, sxedon katholou mono ta vasika

stathissideris 2016-07-08T12:21:50.001445Z

anarwtiemai poso “kanonikh” haskell einai

palladin 2016-07-08T12:23:07.001446Z

nai idea den exo... miazei na einai poli konta

palladin 2016-07-08T12:52:22.001447Z

@stathissideris: Malista i Frege einai Haskell

palladin 2016-07-08T12:52:40.001449Z

auto einai pou anefera parapano

palladin 2016-07-08T12:52:51.001450Z

oti kaneis abstract to monad

palladin 2016-07-08T12:53:06.001451Z

kai kaneis generic functions over any monad

stathissideris 2016-07-08T15:39:52.001452Z

@palladin: thanks pou to tsekares 🙂

palladin 2016-07-08T15:40:28.001453Z

nai epeksa ligaki

palladin 2016-07-08T15:40:30.001454Z

me to repl

palladin 2016-07-08T15:40:46.001455Z

ena oraio pou exei

palladin 2016-07-08T15:40:59.001456Z

einai oti kaleis java methods

palladin 2016-07-08T15:41:12.001457Z

kai oses exoun dilothei oti exoun side-effects

palladin 2016-07-08T15:41:18.001458Z

einai wrapped

palladin 2016-07-08T15:41:22.001459Z

sto IO monad

palladin 2016-07-08T15:41:36.001460Z

opote prostateuete o pure codikas apo ta effects

palladin 2016-07-08T15:41:42.001461Z

meso tou type system

palladin 2016-07-08T15:42:48.001463Z

fenete sigoura poli endiaferon project

palladin 2016-07-08T15:49:36.001464Z

Poso omorfo http://www.frege-lang.org/doc/frege/prelude/PreludeBase.html#IO

palladin 2016-07-08T20:50:29.001467Z

Nomizo tha to vreite endiaferon http://www.computerhistory.org/pdp-1/1020b307d766e0019de2b4addcc86dee/

2016-07-08T21:33:08.001469Z

στάθη έπεσα πάνω σε 2,3 repos

2016-07-08T21:33:18.001470Z

και τώρα και το arachne που είναι σε boot

2016-07-08T21:33:40.001471Z

είχα την εντύπωση πως το lein ήταν κραταιό