clojure-uk

A place for people in the UK, near the UK, visiting the UK, planning to visit the UK or just vaguely interested to randomly chat about things (often vi and emacs, occasionally clojure). More general the #ldnclj
dharrigan 2020-07-16T06:27:09.039700Z

Good Morning!

mccraigmccraig 2020-07-16T06:27:14.039900Z

¡måning!

djm 2020-07-16T06:30:25.040300Z

👋

dominicm 2020-07-16T06:49:07.040500Z

Morning

thomas 2020-07-16T09:03:19.040700Z

mogge

djm 2020-07-16T10:02:58.041200Z

What a morning - it's taken me until now to be able to login to my laptop... some stupid AD issue

djm 2020-07-16T10:11:19.041800Z

(Wow, /me is lame on slack)

dharrigan 2020-07-16T10:21:03.041900Z

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:23:26.042500Z

/me is terrible. But I'll also jump onto attacking systemd whenever.

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:23:32.042700Z

Systemd bad. Down with systemd.

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:23:42.043100Z

tbh, a lot of the freedesktop stuff is utter crap.

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:24:17.043700Z

I'm a bit grumpy that it's no longer enough to have config files specifying your font/icon preferences, you have to run a gconf command which updates a binary database.

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:24:30.044Z

I just want to have portable dotfiles, why is this so difficult?!

djm 2020-07-16T10:30:19.044800Z

This is part of why I switched from Linux to FreeBSD, but I don't think suggesting *BSD at work would go down too well with our head IT person

dominicm 2020-07-16T10:37:47.045600Z

@djm_uk I use void, which is the BSD user's respite in Linux (although I've never used BSD)

djm 2020-07-16T10:39:36.046400Z

How does it compare to Arch? That's my go to when I need to use Linux (and I have a vagrant vm of it that I keep around), or failing that Debian

djm 2020-07-16T10:39:45.046700Z

NixOS does sound interesting though

alexlynham 2020-07-16T10:48:36.046800Z

morning

alexlynham 2020-07-16T10:49:21.046900Z

oh man, on the dotfiles subject, how are we in 2020 and can't port a laptop config fluently to a new machine on the same OS?

alexlynham 2020-07-16T10:49:28.047Z

I have so many lil hacky scripts

2020-07-16T11:07:03.047200Z

Morn’

maleghast 2020-07-16T12:32:13.048700Z

Hello All... Re the BSD conversation, I realise I am exposing my ignorance here, but what the hell, why would you want to use BSD over Linux on the Desktop? I honestly don't know the actual difference

djm 2020-07-16T12:40:16.049700Z

It's well over ten years since I switched now. There were particular frustrations with Linux in general, and a particular distro (some technical, some more social, I suppose) at the time that led to it

djm 2020-07-16T12:40:42.050200Z

In the end you're mostly running the same software either way

dominicm 2020-07-16T13:17:47.051100Z

BSD is almost always more sane in everything they do.

dominicm 2020-07-16T13:18:18.051800Z

Linux has 4 filesystem apis I think, because they got it wrong a few times with the async stuff.

dominicm 2020-07-16T13:18:50.052600Z

If I wanted to seriously trust every level of my stack, I would find it easier to read the BSD source I think.

dominicm 2020-07-16T13:19:18.053400Z

The documentation is fantastic too I hear. The man pages are actually useful. They get expanded upon by the maintainers.

dotemacs 2020-07-16T14:54:19.057700Z

I used FreeBSD and tinkered with NetBSD. And I also left it behind about 10 years ago, when I switched to the fauxBSD . If your tooling consisted of an $EDITOR, a terminal and a browser, with any of the BSDs you were set. Mind you, it’s not like I use anything more than that even in any other OS… but in FreeBSD when compared with Linux, it just worked. If there was something unclear, all the info was in its official Handbook. Most third party software was in its ports and could be installed easily. I guess that isn’t so “magical” now days, but back in the day, when compared to Linux, FreeBSD was something that just got out of your way and allowed you to get on with your work.

flefik 2020-07-16T15:26:21.058500Z

My primary reason for running linux > mac os today is the absence of a reasonable window manager in OS X. Silly reason I know 🙂

dotemacs 2020-07-16T15:45:52.059200Z

I think that it’s a legit reason. You want to be comfortable in order to be productive.