clojure-uk

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jiriknesl 2020-07-31T06:35:35.238900Z

Buongiorno

djm 2020-07-31T08:26:49.239100Z

👋

alexlynham 2020-07-31T08:55:18.239200Z

morning

2020-07-31T09:04:10.240700Z

https://twitter.com/ALT_uscis/status/1289123431850614784 This brings us back to the old A-Sock, A-soohss pronunciation

2020-07-31T09:04:56.241300Z

how would you pronounce Assoccer?

Conor 2020-07-31T09:40:56.241600Z

I don't care what the inventor of GIFs wants me to call things, there's no such thing as jraphics

dominicm 2020-07-31T09:43:59.242Z

It's like giraffe

alexlynham 2020-07-31T09:56:22.242100Z

@ben.hammond option 3: A-soak

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:10:28.246900Z

Any Dell XPS 13” / Arch users in here today..? My 2018 XPS 13” has just started to refuse to start my wireless card... Two days ago it was fine; just woke it from sleep, no amount of cajoling can get the wireless to turn on. Have gone around the rfkill and ip link set wlp2s0 up roundabout a few times and rebooted a bunch of times but I cannot coax it back to life :-(

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:12:40.247600Z

Unfortunately if I can't get it working this will render my personal linux box effectively unusable 😞

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:13:01.248200Z

I really don't relish copying all the data off and starting from scratch, plus I like Arch...

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:13:09.248400Z

...normally

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:18:47.248900Z

have you pressed the button, F10 I think?, to disable the wifi

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:26:08.249900Z

@dominicm - F10 appears to be backlit keyboard. There is an antenna on the Home key, but that appears to only turn on / off the Bluetooth module

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:26:33.250600Z

It also toggles the wifi, unless you've changed it in the bios.

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:26:35.250900Z

rfkill list has wifi neither soft or hard blocked

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:26:46.251200Z

I suppose if your wifi card is dead, then it wouldn't be distinguished

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:27:02.251500Z

Oh crap...

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:27:34.252200Z

It just stopped working after being in sleep - I hope it's not actually died, the machine is out of warranty

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:27:56.252600Z

oh, hold on, this is just after it's been to sleep?

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:28:00.252800Z

so on reboot it might be OK?

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:28:22.253300Z

nope, I have rebooted via restart and shutdown and power on and nothing

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:28:49.253600Z

Could be a kernel thing I suppose. Always worth trying the linux-lts kernel

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:29:32.253900Z

worth checking dmesg and lspci too

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:31:28.254700Z

dmesg looks as though the driver is loading

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:32:10.255Z

well, that's positive. That implies it's being seen!

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:32:19.255100Z

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:32:38.255600Z

Similarly lspci shows the wireless card...

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:33:23.255700Z

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:34:03.257Z

I can see the hw switch “working” by toggling and running rfkill list

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:34:41.257900Z

But ip link set wlp2s0 up does nothing :-(

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:34:56.258400Z

My Google-Fu has utterly failed me too...

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:35:13.258900Z

What did you mean about Linux-LTS?

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:36:25.259200Z

it's just the stable kernel rather than the bleeding edge one

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:39:58.259800Z

Oh I see - I must admit I have no idea how to switch

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:42:49.262100Z

It’s just so weird - 2 days ago I was connected to the WiFi on it, having updated. I put it to sleep, woke it this afternoon and “Wireless is Deactivated” in the Desktop UI and no way to bring it back up

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:43:11.262400Z

what desktop ui?

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:43:25.262600Z

KDE 5

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:43:45.263Z

Bottom bar widget

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:44:01.263500Z

I have no idea what it’s actually called

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:44:19.263800Z

I wonder if KDE is somehow involved :suspect:

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:45:55.266400Z

Maybe... It’s worked flawlessly for 2.5 years, so I don’t have any specific reason to suspect it. Plus 2 days ago I did an update and power cycles the laptop and then used it for a couple of hours with WiFi then put it to sleep. WiFi was none existent on wake up.

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:46:17.266800Z

Frankly it’s bizarre ;-)

dominicm 2020-07-31T14:48:11.267200Z

I get suspicious of the DEs because they make it easy to accidentally press things

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:50:05.268400Z

Yeah, I know what you mean, but there does not seem to be a control for this - it’s all a bit too high level ;-)

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:54:46.269400Z

Yeah, it would appear that I can’t get the LTS kernel without being connected to the internet :-(

djm 2020-07-31T14:57:34.269800Z

Don't you have any ethernet cables you can stick into your router?

maleghast 2020-07-31T14:59:10.270500Z

@djm_uk it’s a laptop that does not have an Ethernet port :-(

dominicm 2020-07-31T15:00:16.271200Z

yeah, I realized that 😄

djm 2020-07-31T15:00:29.271300Z

Ahh, you can get usb ethernet adapters, if you don't mind spending a bit of money and waiting

maleghast 2020-07-31T15:00:51.271900Z

@djm_uk - I may have to... :-(

djm 2020-07-31T15:02:35.272900Z

For trying a different kernel, I would try burning a live image of another distro to a usb stick first (if I didn't already have a usb-ethernet thing)

dominicm 2020-07-31T15:02:55.273100Z

or a usb wifi card 😄

maleghast 2020-07-31T15:04:08.273700Z

Well yeah if the WiFi card inside is b0rk3d...

maleghast 2020-07-31T15:04:43.273900Z

:-(

dominicm 2020-07-31T15:04:53.274500Z

you can get dinky ones these days, much less of a bother

maleghast 2020-07-31T15:04:57.274700Z

Thx for the ideas / help nonetheless :-)

djm 2020-07-31T15:05:20.275Z

@dominicm good point!

maleghast 2020-07-31T15:46:08.275600Z

@dominicm - You don't happen to have a brand / chipset recommendation re compat do you?

dominicm 2020-07-31T15:46:18.275800Z

always atheros

maleghast 2020-07-31T16:04:11.276Z

Thx :-)