clojure-uk

A place for people in the UK, near the UK, visiting the UK, planning to visit the UK or just vaguely interested to randomly chat about things (often vi and emacs, occasionally clojure). More general the #ldnclj
dharrigan 2020-09-03T05:00:20.126300Z

Good Morning!

djm 2020-09-03T05:34:35.126500Z

👋

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T05:42:51.127100Z

¡mån!

jiriknesl 2020-09-03T07:05:33.127300Z

Morning

thomas 2020-09-03T08:22:26.128300Z

moin

alexlynham 2020-09-03T09:27:15.128400Z

morning

jiriknesl 2020-09-03T12:16:55.130700Z

Off-topic but I didn’t know there’re so many way to pronounce R https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_/r/ I thought it’s just standard R and rolling R (used by people from latin & slavic countries) until I met Scottish guy who did pronounce his R in something I thought to be rolling R, but not it seems it was more likely tapped R.

Conor 2020-09-03T13:19:08.130900Z

The guy who did the voice clips for that page seems like he was having a good time

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Conor 2020-09-03T13:19:50.131Z

One of the problems with living in the UK is having to mentally correct myself every time I spell my name out, UK people can't process it when I pronounce 'r' as 'orr' instead of 'arr'

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T13:28:29.134100Z

english is very slack with pronunciation - but that's maybe a strength in that it remains comprehensible even when it's being slaughtered. makes teaching the kids to spell quite hard though

2020-09-04T07:33:35.138500Z

This is glorious . Thanks for sharing

2020-09-04T07:42:34.138700Z

Don't know what it means when the words are in italics .

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T07:45:15.138900Z

i think the italicised words are the focus of irregularity in that verse

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T07:54:03.139100Z

the version that @thomas posted seems to be a longer version than most... i've been looking for an audio reading of it (but sadly can't find one) because there are some words on there i have been pronouncing wrongly in my head (bade, ague, terpsichore - i know the first two, but i don't think i've ever spoken them, and the third was new to me) and probably many more i don't yet know i've been pronouncing wrongly

thomas 2020-09-04T07:55:31.139300Z

I came across it years ago and it is quite tricky for non native speakers I think

thomas 2020-09-04T07:56:16.139500Z

and yes I thought made and bade were the same as well, but then again, I am johnny Foreigner anyway

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T08:00:39.139700Z

bases on the first 50 italicised words, i've gotten 2 of them wrong (based on comparisons to audio readings) - so that gives me about a ~5% error rate, as a native speaker

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T08:01:18.139900Z

i suspect i would do better if i were a fan of classical literature and theatre

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T08:03:21.140100Z

there aren't many terpsichores or agues in the media i tend to consume though

dominicm 2020-09-04T08:18:28.140300Z

Oh yeah, I'm totally ignoring the words nobody uses or knows what they mean anyway.

thomas 2020-09-04T08:51:07.141100Z

😂

thomas 2020-09-04T08:51:27.141300Z

good to know I am not the only one

2020-09-04T10:37:14.144200Z

just realised, that poem avoids mentioning scones

2020-09-04T10:37:19.144400Z

perhaps that is wise

dharrigan 2020-09-04T11:01:09.144600Z

grrr

dharrigan 2020-09-04T11:01:28.144800Z

scones is right there with vim vs. emacs and spaces vs tabs

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T11:03:59.145Z

i dunno, i'm an emacs user, but i have a healthy respect for vim users, and have occasionally even been tempted to cross the divide - whereas i have no respect at all for tab users or those who pronounce scone as "sconn"

dharrigan 2020-09-04T11:04:26.145200Z

scone as in gone

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-04T11:09:28.145400Z

smh

dharrigan 2020-09-04T11:11:39.145600Z

🙂

dominicm 2020-09-04T11:22:30.145800Z

yeah but is the pasty from devon or cornwall?

2020-09-04T12:45:29.149600Z

I though all these innovations are from China originally

2020-09-04T13:44:26.159100Z

and they received them from alien civilisations ... no doubt

2020-09-03T13:44:06.134500Z

Morn'

thomas 2020-09-03T14:13:41.134600Z

try reading this one put loud: http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

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dominicm 2020-09-03T14:23:57.134800Z

Reading it is easy (for a native). I expect not for others.

dominicm 2020-09-03T14:24:13.135Z

I think if you come from a consistent language, you probably don't read ahead a little.

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T14:40:07.135200Z

oh... "made has not the sound of bade"

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T14:40:15.135400Z

i thought it did

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T14:43:00.135600Z

but http://ncf.idallen.com/TheChaosPRETTY.pdf gives "bade" the IPA http://ipa-reader.xyz/?text=b%C3%A6d&voice=Emma :thinking_face:

mccraigmccraig 2020-09-03T14:44:33.135900Z

so it seems even some native english speakers can get tripped up in the first few paragraphs of that poem

2020-09-03T15:04:47.136600Z

I've not seen that poem before. made me smile

2020-09-03T15:05:45.136800Z

I love the way that you can use tonals to create metadata that might completely reverse the meaning of the words

2020-09-03T15:05:54.137Z

Sarcasm, etc