Clojurians Log v2

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I wonder, now that it's likely that Salesforce is buying Slack <https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/25/slack-shares-jump-following-report-of-possible-salesforce-acquisition.html>, perhaps it's time for people to evaluate an alternative

We are considering <http://matrix.org|matrix.org>

free, opensource, keeps your messages for evar, and anyone can run a federated home server

and the UI client is very slick (http://element.io)

it has integrations for terminal, irc and so on

At a previous job, we tried (self-hosted) Rocket Chat and Mattermost. They're both pretty similar to Slack

We looked at Mattermost, but Slack had the momentum, I feel that http://matrix.org has more momentum over Mattermost. However, that's a good choice too.

Can http://matrix.org be entirely self-hosted? That was one of our requirements

yes

Self hosting matrix is a total nightmare by all accounts

If I were looking at a slack alternative today, I'd be strongly evaluating irc cloud. Don't let the irc in the name scare you off.

you can run a federated server on anywhere. It’s one of the ideas we are thinking about. Quite a few of us have good broadband, so we can all host a server and join a federation for the company to provide.

I use IRC every day 🙂

for many-a-year 🙂

I even lurk about on the #clojure channel on freenode

irc is preferable to Slack for me, but probably a hard sell in most workplaces

morning

for community stuff, discord is p good

Morning

Too many choices - there's also gitter, and telegram, and ...

I believe Gitter has joined Matrix recently

well, in terms of interop

why switch from slack just because salesforce are acquiring @dharrigan?

even if they totally skype it, that will take some time

'skype it' lol

worried ms will skype github

that is a worry... gitlab seems pretty cool though

been using gitlab on current proj... def worse than github

just minor stuff, but diffs, history etc in the ui are just... like 10% not as good

now GH has actions too that will probably in time be better than GL runners

sure, but y'know, 2 years ago github was worse than github now... and if ms skypes github then there will be more space for gitlab to grow in to

true

i gave a mentee a reference for gitlab a while back - seems like an interesting company - over 1k people and completely remote

interesting

a bit like circleci then

much less clj than circleci

I think the takeover means ultimately Slack will start to become more "enterprisey" with extra costs (given Salesforce's reason for being). So perhaps this is just an kickstarter for considering others?

one day we'll all be back on irc

for me the key attribute which clojurians slack has over irc (at least on public irc servers) is that it's all clojure - users and channels. it's easy to find relevant channels and library authors

mmm that is true

oh, and that with irc i always end up having dig beneath the service, 'cos i got kicked from my nick or something, and am always left 😱

matrix seems pretty cool though

For IM, we use Zulip. It is not that beautiful as Slack, but I like it. Especially when I have learned how to use it from keyboard.

Good Morning

Morning Jakob 👋 … I didn’t realise you were into Clojure 😺

I'll +1 Zulip -- it's the only only chat I have open, and I love that nearly everything here is archived there and can be searched on Zulip. And, yes, I love how it is completely keyboard driven (unlike Slack) even in the web browser.