Clojurians Log v2
clojure-uk
Good morning
Good Morning!
So, Salesforce has bought Slack...for 27 billion...for a fancy pantsy irc client...
1999 once again.
Morning
@dharrigan If Salesforce offered you 27bn would you say no? 😉
Yes
Unless the bundle in sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads...
Morning 🙂
moin moin
morning
Morning
I’m still annoyed at Slack for buying Screenhero and then deciding that no, they actually don’t want the tech after all and shutting the whole thing down.
27B? I am curious how they expect to earn those 27B back.
With the forthcoming price hikes
Any hope that clojurians could get, perhaps an open source price reduction (or waiver) imho, ain't going to happen.
I wouldn't be surprised that eventually, they'll charge for any slack workspace that has 500+, 1000+ 1500+ users
😿
Shall we all just move back to the mailing list?
Morning
Could move to Discord 😛
Good grief Slack, why would you not make my preferences for things like WYSIWYG editor vs markup consistent across all my workspaces...
månmån
I find the preferences setup on slack to be very confusing
it's sorta global, except when its not
the big advantage of the way they do it is that you can login to multiple accounts in the same workspace simultaneously, which is great if you have multiple roles, e.g. admin personality vs regular user
One login, with multiple workspace equivalents that each have independent text chat channels and also pre-defined 'chat rooms' where you can go for voice (and more recently video) chat
It has primarily been aimed at PC gamers, so it has hooks into various game launchers to show what you're currently playing, allow easy streaming etc, but as a 'chat client with history that you don't have to pay $$$ for' it's pretty good
Supports standard markdown for code etc
^ what dan said
i use it for my online cycling group, for the worms wmd tournament, for lambda lounge and for talking to various folk, all one login, v easy
Wait, Worms WMD tournament?
the people in my shared office have a weekly worms wmd night cos it's weird having gone from seeing each other every day 9-5 to not at all lol
Morn' 😃
I need a TCP intermediary that can sit between client and server and allow me to simulate a bad/broken connection, running within the JVM. What is the state-of-the-art for that kind of utility? Any favourites?
yeah it makes sense for corporate internal comms, for community style stuff, i think the discord model is better. we moved lambda lounge there and it's been p good
not used it - what's the discord model ?
Simply use k8s and your favourite service mesh 🕸️
Real answer, something like https://github.com/trekawek/toxiproxy-java should work
Re: Slack alternatives -- I think if we ever have to get off Slack as a community, Zulip is going to be the next largest community to move to. It already has archives of most channels here, some dating back a year or so, and it has several thousand members already -- and I've noticed activity increasing there over time. It's great that it can be navigated entirely via the keyboard, even in a browser.
Is that serveral thousand clojure members?
if it’s enough to run it locally and on mac os then you can use the built in network link conditioner
if you’re on linux you can use tc
it’s not inside jvm, but you could run tc within a docker container perhaps?
@dharrigan Total Users on Clojurians Zulip is just under 1,900 members right now.
(looks like it's been growing steadily at about 100 members per month for most of this year)
that's amazing, another community to hang out on
is there no bridge?
Slack messages here are archived to Zulip via the @zulip-mirror-bot (if it's in a channel here), but it's a one-way propagation.
kk
just looking at it, I see that, like slack, it has a free tier, but keeps only limited messages...given that's one of the biggest problems with this free slack, how does that factor into any future choices?
It may not happen this year, or next, but I strongly suspect that salesforce will try to squeeze their 27 billion investiment out of slack somehow....
For OSS projects, the free tier has unlimited messages and search.
Gert Goets got Zulip to give Clojurians the OSS package when he set it up.
Of course, you're still beholden to ZulipChat continuing to support large OSS communities for free...
That's good news
I would add that I have played around with http://matrix.org and it's good, with momentum too - and since it's 100% open source and not tied to any company, there's no fear of any company changing their mind on costs (or being bought!). Perhaps that can be considered (if at some point in the future, these decisions have to be made)
Yeah, the Clojure http://matrix.org has a two-way bridge to IRC on freenode I think?
it has lots of bridges
scroll to bridges
Hmm, is it hosted somewhere for free? That's the big issue.
it's federated, so anyone can spin up a server to join the federation
Maybe I was thinking of something else that is already bridged to IRC...
Finding a long-term stable host company that is willing to maintain the infrastructure has always been a big stumbling block in the past for any of these "free open source" chat systems.
Several of the community members who have previously said "Oh, my company would host that!" ... those companies no longer exist 🙂
🙂 I think more research is required...
Trust me, over the years, I've been round and round this topic endless times every time someone new says "We should use X instead of Slack!"
I do 🙂