clojure-uk

A place for people in the UK, near the UK, visiting the UK, planning to visit the UK or just vaguely interested to randomly chat about things (often vi and emacs, occasionally clojure). More general the #ldnclj
seancorfield 2021-01-08T03:44:49.335100Z

My wife rolled her eyes (but still laughed) and then grumbled that was such a little kid's joke... 🙂 🙂

djm 2021-01-08T07:58:36.335400Z

👋

djm 2021-01-08T07:58:42.335600Z

Snow again

thomas 2021-01-08T08:22:49.335800Z

mogge

dharrigan 2021-01-08T08:32:50.336100Z

Hello!

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T08:35:42.336700Z

månmån¡

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T08:36:50.337300Z

no snow here, but quite an æsthetically pleasing frost

2021-01-08T08:51:41.337500Z

Morning

2021-01-08T09:06:28.337800Z

👋 quite a bit of snow here this morning

djm 2021-01-08T09:15:58.338200Z

Probably a long shot, but has anyone used anything from Slimbook? (https://slimbook.es/en/store/)

Conor 2021-01-08T09:26:11.338300Z

I thought about buying one, as I saw positive reports on Reddit etc., but it didn't have an easy way for me to use two monitors

Conor 2021-01-08T09:26:22.338400Z

Seems nice if you don't care about that, though

djm 2021-01-08T09:29:49.338700Z

Two external monitors?

Conor 2021-01-08T09:30:25.338800Z

Yeah

Conor 2021-01-08T09:31:31.338900Z

If I remember right, the USB-C port it has is just for charging, so I could only use the HDMI connection for a monitor

dharrigan 2021-01-08T09:32:34.339200Z

You'll have to pay custom's duty now if you import from Spain

alexlynham 2021-01-08T09:33:09.339300Z

morning

Conor 2021-01-08T09:42:01.339400Z

In the end I went for a Thinkpad L14 which is very needs suiting

alexlynham 2021-01-08T09:43:51.339500Z

doesn't seem super powerful in the specs?

alexlynham 2021-01-08T09:44:03.339600Z

(at least compared to a bunch of the other thinkpads)

Conor 2021-01-08T09:46:48.339700Z

Not the one on the Lenovo website, the one with the Ryzen 4750 (also I put more RAM in)

djm 2021-01-08T09:58:37.342200Z

Whenever I look at laptops, I'm frustrated by how little RAM you get for your money - you can pay quite a lot, and still only get 8GB. They seem happier to give faster processors (etc) on higher end models, than they are to give more RAM. (Although you can get more RAM too, of course)

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T10:05:56.345500Z

i would happily have swapped a higher-spec processor option for a lower-spec with 32GB on my last machine, but the only refurbs around (i can't face the new-new prices of mbps) had higher-spec processors with 16GB - perhaps the issue is that most users think they want higher-spec processors, so suppliers give them to them @djm_uk ?

djm 2021-01-08T10:08:44.347Z

Yeah, that's possible. Back in the single core days people seemed to make a big thing about processor speeds. I guess these days people are mostly looking for i7/i9s, rather than looking at specific numbers

djm 2021-01-08T10:09:24.347200Z

My work laptop has a 9th gen i7, and 32GB, which is nice

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T10:13:35.347700Z

yeah, i've got an i9 with 16GB, but i think an i7 with 32GB would be much better. it's only £100 more expensive new, and i doubt i would ever notice the i7 vs i9 difference, whereas i notice the 16GB vs 32GB difference all the time

jasonbell 2021-01-08T10:16:53.348Z

Morning

alexlynham 2021-01-08T10:36:07.348100Z

my current refurb is an i7 with 32GB and it's great

alexlynham 2021-01-08T10:36:29.348300Z

it's nice finally having enough RAM to have chrome and slack open at the same time 😂

djm 2021-01-08T10:39:47.348500Z

Slack is especially useful in this cold weather for keeping things warm

djm 2021-01-08T10:40:03.348700Z

Saves the effort of installing Gentoo

2021-01-08T11:59:53.348900Z

Definitely agree about the amounts RAM most machines have these days. It’s been stuck this way for years though. IIRC 4 or 5 years ago I was asking the same questions about “why can’t I get 32gb RAM yet?!” even before that it felt insane. IIRC from the last time the issue was that apple felt the extra RAM meant compromises on battery etc. Also more recently when I saw this discussed folk were saying macs have decent memory bandwidth and with SSDs they can both swap much more quickly, but also macos is supposedly good at knowing what to swap and managing memory. I suspect then that the rest of the industry is partly driven by apple setting expectations. Hopefully after the next round of apple silicon 32gb will become more common.

djm 2021-01-08T12:02:41.349100Z

Yeah, it already seemed to be the case 15-20 years ago (suddenly I feel old!)

2021-01-08T12:02:55.349300Z

yup

2021-01-08T12:03:33.349500Z

pretty sure I had 8gb RAM back in 2005

2021-01-08T12:04:41.349700Z

4 or 5 years back was just when I got my current MBP

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T12:27:23.349900Z

things did get noticeably better when macos introduced memory compression - i was really struggling with 16GB before that, and only occasionally struggling afterwards

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T12:28:44.350100Z

looks like that was in 10.9 mavericks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mavericks

alexlynham 2021-01-08T14:49:01.350800Z

yeah my old work mac - which i used back in the swirrl days! - is still doing okay for most non-essential tasks on yosemite

alexlynham 2021-01-08T14:49:15.351Z

and that's 8GB iirc so probably the mem compression as you say craig

alexlynham 2021-01-08T14:49:36.351200Z

can run slack AND docker AND youtube (just about lol)

alexlynham 2021-01-08T14:49:46.351400Z

that said, def happier with this 32GB machine

alexlynham 2021-01-08T14:50:29.351600Z

1.8k as a refurb but it really does pay for itself

mccraigmccraig 2021-01-08T16:33:26.351900Z

my kinda PR

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alexlynham 2021-01-08T16:48:31.352300Z

lol

alexlynham 2021-01-08T16:48:33.352400Z

spicy fridays