Clojurians Log v2

Morning!

I've succumed and put up a blog, <https://the.wepl.blog>

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Morning

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måning

morning

still astonished bitcoin hasn't tanked yet

papa elon has everybody in a frenzy

I had +13% on my btc yesterday

it will tank.... question is just when.

exactly

i cashed out enough crypto to take a year off my mortgage last week

in the last four-five days the rest of my holdings have gone up nearly a third

gonna be a big crash lol

I have £50 of btc 🙂

Don't think I'll be paying off my mortgage any day soon...

haha

A currency I do like and have a tiny amount of is monero

i had some monero, cashed it out last week

been gradually shuffling up into modern coins that are proof-of-stake/support staking/will support IBC

The psychology of crytocurrency is interesting, in that it seems like a big shared hallucination that something has value

cough fiat currency cough houses cough

ok houses a bad example cos they have a practical minimum value, fiat a bad example cos you could use it as paper if it was valueless

Sure, but pounds allow me to avoid being put into prison for tax evasion, hence they have a real value

sure but take the nation state out of it and it's just a collective hallucination

i don't think crypto is any madder than the sort of financial derivatives the modern financial system is moving around on a daily basis

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, eh

(even if it is, granted, just as illusory)

haha

with the average prices of a house in the uk currently running at an 8.2 multiple of the average salary... there's some serious collective hallucinatory action going on there

correct

even with supply being so low, houses are overvalued imo

but it's like... the market is broken, everybody suspects it is... yet it still hasn't adjusted? super weird

or maybe that is the market clearing price

it's not a new thing: “the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”

Morning!

any vimmers in here ? i want to give vim+clojure a go and would like to get an idea of the landscape / state-of-the-art

Not me, but the people I do know who do it use fireplace

A few in the channel: I would say either conjure or vim-iced seem most interesting options these days

i've heard fireplace, vim-iced and conjure all mentioned

but my vim-fluency is basic at best, so i don't have a good way of evaluating relative merits

I'm a vimer

I put together some information on my shiney new blog

I use neovim, conjure, clojure-lsp and coc (terrible name)

where is your shineynublog @dharrigan?

fireplace works fine for me, though the newer options probably have some advantages

https://wepl.blog or https://the.wepl.blog will get you there

Disclaimer: I wrote Conjure but... fireplace: Sturdy, been around forever and a very traditional vim plugin. Written by the lord of vim plugins, so you can expect high quality. I think it maaay lack some async-ness though? So it's a little more to the point, maybe that's fine for you! It's just got less bells and whistles. iced: Everything you could ever need, async, still vim script. Hooks into loaaads of plugins and tools (things I don't particularly use since they're more IDE like but some will love that). I guess the most IDE like plugin? A huge inspiration for me since it covers so much ground so cohesively. conjure: Written in Fennel (a lisp that looks like Clojure) compiled to Lua and executed as Lua. Supports Racket, Janet, Fennel and Clojure with Lisp Flavoured Erlang and other Schemes on the radar. Less Clojure specific features than iced but a completely different UX based around an editable log buffer compared to the other two. So it's just a different angle and a bit more general with a very non-traditional development style (a vim plugin written in a lips for lisps). Also ties into Aniseed which allows you to write your neovim config in this lisp seamlessly, so it's more of a lifestyle than a plugin choice 😛 I don't think you can go wrong with any of them really, they just focus on different things. If I was only choosing between fireplace and iced I'd probably go iced though!

I. LOVE. THIS. DOMAIN.

thanks @olical @dharrigan - i guess i'll try both iced and conjure and see how i go - i know from emacs-land that i'm quite particular (big helm fan), so i'll see what sticks

abandoning emacs @mccraigmccraig ?

maybe. i'm sufficiently annoyed by spac/emacs instability that i'm exploring alternatives

i tried vscode for a couple of weeks, and it was ok, but i found the UI crippling in the end - so many different ways of doing things which can all be done with helm

and i've never yet dabbled in the vi heresy, but it's stayed around for a very long time, so i suspect there may be something in it, so...

Morn'

find of the day... maybe i'm late to the party, but you can prefix any binding with _ and clj-kondo won't warn about it being unused... so (let [{blah :blah :as _nice-map-name} thing] blah)

@mccraigmccraig You can also turn the warning of :as off if you want: https://github.com/clj-kondo/clj-kondo/blob/master/doc/linters.md#unused-binding

{:linters {:unused-binding {:exclude-destructured-as true}}}

ah, nice!

oi did that 🙂

A small contribution

It's been like that for years though hasn't it? Been waiting for a correction since I moved back from the US in 2016. Still waiting....

i don't imagine it will change anytime soon either, but it looks very expensive compared to the 3x multiple banks used to regard as a prudent lending limit, and fewer and fewer people can afford to buy a house

Incidentally I’ve seen some emacs instability recently too, and found that disabling the fancy modeline stuff I had (doom-modeline) has significantly improved the stability. I heard some folk saying some other modeline modes like telephone-line caused similar problems for them. So there’s a small chance that might be your problem!?

IIRC spacemacs uses one too

interesting - yes, spacemacs has quite a complex modeline, most of which i don't care about at all

having tried and failed with vscode i think i'm going to try doom emacs and a couple of the vim alternatives... and i've got a new variant of the underlying emacs (i was on railwaycat, now trying brew/emacs+) to test out too

find a file - helm, text search - helm, change buffer - helm, find a command - helm... i really like helm, it's a brilliant editor UI. vscode just seemed scrappy, and i couldn't get the repl test interface working nearly as well as CIDER. the foundations were good though - scrolling was smooth, and it never crashed, and that mini-preview think on the right of each pane is cool

Just came across this thread. The libraries to interact with NHS/healthcare data mentioned are in Clojure: https://twitter.com/mwardle/status/1359160452157235201

I love my vim, but these days to anyone starting out I recommend VS Code. You can have Development Environment based on VIM, but it won’t be Integrated - you end up spending way too much time setting up and modifying configs, I know of people that happily switched from Emacs to VS Code - Bodil specifically.

But if you are keen to try out vim there are few Helm like libraries: fzf.vim, clap and Im sure few others

For whatever reason, I just couldn't get used to helm... but I guess for all the many years I used Emacs on and off (since the 17.x versions!) I never really enjoyed it like some people do...