clojure-uk

A place for people in the UK, near the UK, visiting the UK, planning to visit the UK or just vaguely interested to randomly chat about things (often vi and emacs, occasionally clojure). More general the #ldnclj
thomas 2021-02-15T08:08:59.306700Z

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djm 2021-02-15T08:09:43.306900Z

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mccraigmccraig 2021-02-15T08:20:49.307Z

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dharrigan 2021-02-15T08:52:37.307200Z

Good Morning!

alexlynham 2021-02-15T08:54:12.307300Z

morning

gcaban 2021-02-15T09:04:19.307600Z

morning

jiriknesl 2021-02-15T09:18:52.307900Z

Morning

2021-02-15T09:28:09.308100Z

Morn'

danm 2021-02-15T11:35:57.308300Z

Morning

Kai 2021-02-15T13:47:37.314700Z

Hi all. I'm considering moving back to the UK in the next year or two and was browsing Clojure jobs to get a feel of what was out there. Outside of London, a lot of job ads seem to be around the Bristol/Bath area. Does that sound right to those of you in the UK?

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:49:56.315300Z

A lot of jobs are transitioning (if not already) to 100% remote work

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:50:19.315800Z

The COVID situation has up-ended the perceived thought about being at an office 5 days a week

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:50:45.316200Z

The company I work for is 100% remote now.

Conor 2021-02-15T13:50:51.316300Z

This is very true

Conor 2021-02-15T13:51:11.316400Z

In the before times, the only places I have heard of Clojure jobs are Glasgow, Manchester and Dahn Sarf

Conor 2021-02-15T13:51:23.316900Z

But nowadays it probably doesn't matter

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:51:53.317500Z

Maybe if you come back to the UK, you can choose somewhere nicer to live, like Scotland, with its rugged coastline (and people... :-)) instead of inner laaaawdan.

Kai 2021-02-15T13:55:30.319900Z

So you reckon a lot of companies are going to keep working remotely after COVID has calmed down too? I'm in Japan and here a lot of companies went remote for the first wave or two of infections but have mostly gone back to the office now.

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:55:47.320700Z

Ah, Japan. It's hard to break through the mindset there.

alexlynham 2021-02-15T13:55:49.320900Z

i think so

Kai 2021-02-15T13:55:51.321Z

Yeah I'm not planning to live in London, so that sounds good to me

alexlynham 2021-02-15T13:55:57.321100Z

here it's dollars and cents

alexlynham 2021-02-15T13:56:01.321200Z

office space costs money

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:56:23.321700Z

Our company has decided not to renew the lease on our rented floors

alexlynham 2021-02-15T13:56:27.321900Z

so letting people mostly wfh is a cost saving if you can organisationally survive it

alexlynham 2021-02-15T13:56:43.322500Z

that makes sense, heard of lots of cos doing the same @dharrigan

djm 2021-02-15T13:56:46.322600Z

My employer has also decided not to renew the lease on our office

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:56:52.323Z

btw, I hope everyone is claming back the tax by working from home

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:56:58.323300Z

roughly 300 pa

djm 2021-02-15T13:57:14.323600Z

But they are possibly also hoping that no one else will rent it, and that we might go back at some point, which is weird

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:57:33.323900Z

I think there will be a lot of empty office space.

Kai 2021-02-15T13:59:10.324600Z

Sounds good. I won't worry too much about job locations in that case then

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:59:18.324800Z

Why move away from Japan?

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:59:23.325Z

I do like Japan a lot

dharrigan 2021-02-15T13:59:30.325200Z

Everything works.

Kai 2021-02-15T14:02:59.325900Z

Everything works, but in a very Japanese way. Usually involving a lot of faxes and stamps

Kai 2021-02-15T14:03:24.326700Z

The main reasons though are just more opportunities elsewhere and to be closer to family

Conor 2021-02-15T14:03:32.326800Z

Too many tigers in Osaka-jo

dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:06:52.327Z

The food is so so good in japan

Kai 2021-02-15T14:12:52.328400Z

Yeah the food here is pretty good. Eating out is really cheap too. The supermarkets aren't great though. I'd kill for a Tesco or Asda nearby

dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:17:19.328600Z

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dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:17:59.329300Z

I love 711's and Family Mart conveni

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dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:19:14.330300Z

esp, these https://www.morinaga.co.jp/ice/jumbo/en/

oly 2021-02-15T14:19:39.330800Z

I work at a small company in maidstone, we use python primarily but also some clojure but I recon we are pretty unique in that area, certainly bristol and bath seem to have quite a few jobs we are also looking for devs :)

dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:33:06.331100Z

btw, here's that information about the tax rebate

dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:33:08.331300Z

<https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis--working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus--claim-p6-wk-/>

dharrigan 2021-02-15T14:33:32.331900Z

I am not your tax advisor, blah-di-blah-blah.... etc...

2021-02-15T15:23:43.333200Z

out of interest, is there much of a Clojure market in Japan? The stereotype is that it's all Ruby but I don't know how true that is or not

danm 2021-02-15T15:43:38.334400Z

@barnes.kai Can confirm, just started this job and although the company is London-based the job is 100% remote, so I'm based out of Mancs but moving to York. We do seem to have a fair few devs from either London or Bristol though (and some in Europe)

danm 2021-02-15T15:45:50.335600Z

Hmm, that http://gov.uk doc is unclear. Post-COVID, can I claim WFH costs if I am contracted to WFH but the company does technically have office space (a long way away), or does that count as "choosing to WFH"?

dharrigan 2021-02-15T15:47:05.335900Z

Well, I claimed and got my tax code recently updated