clojure-uk

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djm 2021-05-14T05:21:21.464800Z

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dharrigan 2021-05-14T05:33:00.465Z

Hola!

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Jakob Durstberger 2021-05-14T07:37:57.465500Z

Happy Friday yโ€™all ๐Ÿ™‚ How was the week for you?

dharrigan 2021-05-14T07:53:57.465900Z

Did a bit of this, bit of that, overall positive.

dharrigan 2021-05-14T07:54:29.466300Z

Started to look at investments, using a Stocks and Shares ISA

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dharrigan 2021-05-14T07:54:34.466500Z

so, learning.

djm 2021-05-14T09:49:12.467600Z

I ordered a new keyboard yesterday, with cherry mx blue switches - good job no one else is nearby when I'm working these days

Aron 2021-05-14T09:52:03.468900Z

i also need a different keyboard for when i am on the phone or in a virtual meeting

djm 2021-05-14T09:54:16.469700Z

My current keyboard has brown switches. Occasionally I get told off for typing during meetings if I forget to mute myself

djm 2021-05-14T09:54:53.470300Z

I mostly try not to be doing other things during meetings - it drives me crazy when other people are not paying attention

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Aron 2021-05-14T09:59:04.470800Z

yeah, but that just means they shouldn't be there or the meeting is sidetracked by someone

dominicm 2021-05-16T20:46:04.488Z

Paper & Pen! Then nobody thinks you're doing email.

Aron 2021-05-14T09:59:11.471Z

: )

djm 2021-05-14T09:59:45.471600Z

The most annoying time is when my boss does it during 1-2-1s ๐Ÿ˜‚

Aron 2021-05-14T09:59:58.472100Z

i know, sometimes people are jerks, but then that's a whole another problem that doesn't start at the organizing of the meeting

Aron 2021-05-14T10:00:16.472200Z

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Joe 2021-05-14T10:01:31.473100Z

Have you told them you donโ€™t like it when they do that? Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™d appreciate the point.

djm 2021-05-14T10:02:33.473300Z

I thought about it

djm 2021-05-14T10:02:57.473500Z

But I'm only here for another six weeks now, so I guess it's not going to happen

Joe 2021-05-14T10:03:27.474300Z

Ha, yeah, not much point then :)

mccraigmccraig 2021-05-14T10:08:38.474500Z

i often take notes during 121s, which requires typing - our 121s use a shared document (all our regular meetings do the same), so that we can see history, put things in for discussion etc ... but answering emails during a 121 seems kinda dysfunctional !

Joe 2021-05-14T10:09:44.475600Z

I love that idea - so often the things we talk about in 1:1s disappear into the ether

djm 2021-05-14T10:13:02.475800Z

At somewhere else I worked, 1-2-1s involved filling out a form, which was mostly tedious, but not entirely unhelpful

Jakob Durstberger 2021-05-14T10:17:33.477800Z

I guess it is not that easy to determine if someone is paying attention or not. I canโ€™t look at people when I am thinking so when I am talking to someone or am in a meeting and have to think about something then I often look to the side or stare to the ceiling. The people that work immediately with me know that but others might not. So others might think I am not paying attention when I actually do.

mccraigmccraig 2021-05-14T10:19:56.477900Z

it works really well for all kinds of meetings @allaboutthatmace1789 - create a google-doc, or whatever, for the meeting, and put it in the calendar entry

mccraigmccraig 2021-05-14T10:22:41.478100Z

if you encourage a habit of looking at the doc before the meeting then you find that for some meetings, e.g. daily standups, much of what might be talked about gets dealt with in the doc comments before the meeting starts, and the meeting ends up being much shorter and very much to the point, so win!

2021-05-14T10:27:42.478900Z

I used to work in an office where a couple of developers would take their laptops to all meetings and keep coding during the meeting

2021-05-14T10:28:52.479900Z

I mean, I found half of those meetings pointless, but I would just skip them, not go and not pay attention and code a bunch of crap that would have to be fixed later because I was distracted ๐Ÿ˜

2021-05-14T10:30:29.481500Z

and a couple of days ago during a standup someone said that they had a bunch of meetings that day, but probably could code a couple of tasks during those meetings... and no one seemed to mind that (I am leaving soon, so I didn't push too much on it, but did mention that they could just not go to the meeting)

Aron 2021-05-14T10:34:14.481600Z

taking notes during meeting, especially in a way that is visible to others

Aron 2021-05-14T10:34:22.481800Z

or during pair programming

Aron 2021-05-14T10:34:33.482Z

a silent keyboard is helpful : D

Aron 2021-05-14T10:36:24.483500Z

i wonder if during the building of the pyramids the skilled workers were complaining about the unnecessary meetings : D

Aron 2021-05-14T10:36:55.484200Z

"i probably could've cut two more corners during that pointless exercise of verbalizations"

dharrigan 2021-05-14T10:55:39.484600Z

I have a DAS Keyboard with cherry browns

djm 2021-05-17T07:15:04.488700Z

@dharrigan Do you use a wrist rest? My current one feels a little high with the Das Keyboard 4

dharrigan 2021-05-17T07:35:11.488900Z

Never used one

dharrigan 2021-05-17T07:35:32.489100Z

I feel they get completely in the way and makes me even more uncomfortable when I've tried them.

djm 2021-05-17T07:35:56.489300Z

I might try without. I have sometimes found that they helped

dharrigan 2021-05-17T07:36:03.489500Z

I normally don't rest my wrists on the desk, I lift my hands up in a typing pose

dharrigan 2021-05-14T10:55:40.484800Z

love it

djm 2021-05-14T10:58:25.485Z

The one I ordered is a Das Keyboard too

dharrigan 2021-05-14T11:05:00.485300Z

<https://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/>

djm 2021-05-14T11:05:52.485500Z

I got the 4 root, which is roughly the same, except the hub part has usb 2 ports instead of usb 3

djm 2021-05-14T11:06:06.485700Z

And it was ยฃ30+ cheaper

dharrigan 2021-05-14T11:06:40.485900Z

Good choice ๐Ÿ™‚ :thumbsup:

djm 2021-05-14T11:09:56.486100Z

Yeah, I'm looking forward to trying it out. I've always wanted a Happy Hacking Keyboard, but they're pretty pricey

2021-05-14T11:54:04.486300Z

the happy hacking switches are so nice though... both sound and feel. They seem like they are good quality, a friend has had one for 8 years or so, and he used to carry it around to the office and it's still working fine.

djm 2021-05-14T12:11:41.486500Z

Don't tempt me ๐Ÿ˜

minimal 2021-05-14T13:56:40.486700Z

There has been quite a bit of progress in mechanical keyboard design in the last few years, itโ€™s really different to 5 years ago

2021-05-14T14:16:14.486900Z

I just checked and the new version and they are usb-c + bluetooth, plus an even quieter version... I was ruined by columnar split layouts, so at least I'm not tempted by the hh

2021-05-14T14:17:55.487100Z

yeah, a bunch of keyboards now have configurable firmware, which is so so so good... These days I work from home, but a configurable keyboard was priceless when hooking it up to the locked down machines in most banks, where you couldn't even remap caps lock to ctrl

minimal 2021-05-14T14:44:02.487300Z

Yeah Iโ€™m typing this on a keyboardio atreus. My third split. Using these jwk shogoki switches that arrived last week. I use my old realforce topre for games. I have an unbuilt think 65v2 because I wanted to try the new style alu case and gasket mounting