Clojurians Log v2

https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/C03S1KBA2/p1490891606731655

https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/C03S1KBA2/p1490892612075613

https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/C03S1KBA2/p1490891677756461

@rplevy I am also in the Clojure IRC, by moving the community off of slack and back to IRC we would lose quite a few things (I am not just saying this as the founder, I have gripes with slack also) not to mention it isn't a small task for a community of this size. - a Clojure IRC server would be comparable. We have trialed lots of replacements.. riot is indeed nice as you say and we do have a Clojure Matrix server

We lose with slack: - History of chat archives - Search engine discovery of archives - Support for an open standard - Not being at the mercy of proprietary centralized for-profit owners. What do we lose in going back to IRC?

It's up to what people want to do, really, both exist. 🙂

No reason not to be on both and let things happen as they happen. :whynotboth:

The biggest gripe I have are the first two points I expressed above.

The IRC channel is linked to matrix :). So you can chat on IRC from riot.

I agree with all of your gripes, the latter 2 are near and dear to me. I have used IRC everyday for the last 24years or so, the philosophy of matrix appeals to me greatly

We do have slack archives

What slack brings to the table is accessibility and ease of use. The barrier to entry would be higher. We wouldn't be able to have the channels we have without hosting an IRC server (which yes is possible)

One of the bigger issues we have is if/when we do migrate, and this has been a discussion for a long time, there are ~10k people to think about. How many would we lose in the process ?

Could be better to have an emergency plan in place, to be enacted if the Slack does get shut down. Problem is that the thing being shut down is the best medium to communicate that the transfer is occurring...

☝️:skin-tone-2: (to @gjnoonan 's message) This is one of my biggest concerns -- with this Slack and a few others I'm in that also have/had an IRC community -- the Slack communities are often an order of magnitude larger than the previous IRC community. That speaks to a fundamental difference between IRC and Slack -- the vast majority of people who will happily use Slack will not use IRC, for whatever reasons they may have. One of the Slacks I'm in has amassed a larger number of developers than were ever on any of the mailing lists for that technology and about two orders of magnitude more than we ever managed to encourage onto IRC.

After all, people would be more willing to move if they see there is no alternative than if they don't see the urgency.

I agree @fellshard, there is a Matrix set-up, an irc server could easily bet setup on a http://clojurians.net just in case. The dream I have always wanted is for the community to write the tool that powers the community, showcasing exactly what clojure has to offer. A full community owned, written, and run project

Yep, we've had this conversation here before. waves vaguely at the ether of lost slack history

We have indeed

Some of that discussion is specifically recorded on the HackPad link in the channel topic

To be honest I don't have all the answers, but it is something the we the Admin team need to think about, and discuss with the wider community