community-development

https://github.com/clojurians/community-development
martinklepsch 2017-05-13T01:07:07.472609Z

Re: moderation, @plexus and I did a bit of testing of Matrix/Riot’s moderation features and they seemed pretty complete

cfleming 2017-05-13T01:29:44.535359Z

I haven’t looked at them, but Discord’s moderation tools are one of the advantages that people who have switched often say are better than Slack’s (it comes from the gaming community, after all).

cfleming 2017-05-13T01:31:11.539819Z

In terms of discoverability, I think the most important aspect is discoverability within the community, of users/channels etc. I don’t think Slack has any advantage in terms of discovering the communities in the first place, at least not that I’m aware of.

martinklepsch 2017-05-13T01:31:13.539938Z

yeah can imagine they’re equally good

cfleming 2017-05-13T01:32:16.542760Z

But I agree with @seancorfield about general UI/UX - I think it’s a more important factor than openness, although I’m sure others will disagree 🙂

fellshard 2017-05-13T05:16:57.031870Z

Discord does have pretty severe UX issues; placement of things isn't intuitive to a newcomer at all. Might hamper adoption or turn some folks away if they feel it's cluttered or not easy enough to find the right commands or options.

richiardiandrea 2017-05-13T19:08:30.919368Z

My 2c the small UX differences will be repaid in full by persistent history

seancorfield 2017-05-14T09:21:10.503699Z

Feel free to draft a survey and have folks here review it. Just remember that you can get almost any result you want from a survey, based on how you design the survey -- I could craft a version of this survey that would have people overwhelmingly "vote" to stay here. Also bear in mind that surveys tend to be answered primarily by those who "care" so the vast majority who are "happy with the status quo" probably wouldn't bother to fill it in ("followers" don't care, by definition), so you'd be most likely to get the vocal crowd of Slack-haters responding anyway -- which makes the survey useless.

richiardiandrea 2017-05-14T18:06:24.619509Z

That is a very good point, just wanted to help in some way 😀 i am also assuming that history is important, but maybe for folks it is not.

seancorfield 2017-05-14T20:49:27.018822Z

If you invite @logbot into a channel, you have history 😈

cfleming 2017-05-15T00:05:10.489010Z

Until Slack catches us doing that, of course 🙂

cfleming 2017-05-15T00:05:36.490352Z

And the history in the archive site is pretty hard to use.

cfleming 2017-05-15T00:06:02.491555Z

It’s actually probably lack of history in DMs that hurts me the most.

cfleming 2017-05-15T00:06:36.493241Z

Perhaps I should just set up my own Slack for Cursive support, since I’m not really bothered by any of the other aspects of Slack that worry others.

cfleming 2017-05-15T00:06:43.493544Z

It’s a pain though.

2017-05-15T18:35:37.236818Z

Doesn’t solve the DM problem - but this looks interesting - and is free for communities : http://slackarchive.io/

seancorfield 2017-05-16T17:16:44.459079Z

@cfleming I would think the volume for just Cursive support alone would be sufficiently lower that you'd have a lot less problems with the 10,000 message limit in a dedicated Slack?

cfleming 2017-05-16T18:39:13.815267Z

@seancorfield Yes, it wouldn’t be a problem there. The only issue is discoverability - it’s much easier being integrated with Clojurians.

seancorfield 2017-05-13T21:38:45.279071Z

@richiardiandrea for you perhaps, but not for others. Please try to remember the trade-offs are very subjective and the people calling for "something other than Slack" are a very tiny minority in this (nearly 10,000 strong) community. Over 9,000 people like Slack enough not to complain or push for an alternative. Seriously. Please bear that in mind.