Clojurians Log v2

@lepistane Please read the Hackpad document linked in the topic / channel details here... I can't remember if it covers Discord specifically but there is a small Clojure community there as well as on Gitter and Matrix and several others.

@seancorfield ye thank you

https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/6vxqro/lets_settle_this_vote_slack_vs_other_platforms/

Meta-question about this topic. Is the "Slackopalypse" problem (max 10,000 users, or whatever the limit) still a thing?

There are already communities on IRC, Discord, Matrix/Riot, Gitter. People generally prefer Slack -- even tho' several small but very vocal groups prefer other things. I think the best option -- and I've said this repeatedly -- is for those folks to set up / advocate those alternatives and see who shows up. The issue isn't whether you prefer ChatXYZ but whether you can persuade 11,000 people to migrate to it.

@seancorfield Slack is great, but the “pay to see history” bit really bugs me

Some people are very hung up on searchable history. The reality is that most of the 11,000 here don't consider it a blocker.

As an admin here I can tell you we get about 15k messages a week -- about 4 days of history. Just as a data point.

I check in on the Discord, Matrix/Riot, and IRC communities from time to time. IRC is the biggest behind Slack.

and don't forget the Java moose ranch has a Clojure section of their forum, that's where I got my start 😁

I don't know how many Clojurians "watch" that section -- feels like mostly just me 🙂

Could add a voting slack app to clojurians…

I don't think we have any app integration slots available (free plan has limited integrations). Slack does not yet have built-in polling (which surprises me) but here's what they suggest: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/229002507-Polls-in-Slack

@seancorfield i read everything you wrote. i think dont think we have to force anything in terms of migration of 11k people. if a large enough portion says they prefer discord i'd suggest someone(group or individual) go there and support the best they can over time because of features of those platforms people will migrate, just like 11k people didint come here they wont go other way just like that. inertia is big lets see in a week or two how voting is going and then we can take it from there

"if a large enough portion says they prefer discord i'd suggest someone(group or individual) go there and support the best they can" -- and that is already the case: there is a small Discord community and it has a core group of people supporting it (so far 30 people have joined that community). People have been able to "migrate" to Discord for a long time -- but haven't.

If you want to only be in Discord, no one is stopping you. Folks have advertised that the Discord server exists.

i know i am there

well one thing that comes to mind

it's exhausting but worth it

is

if wast majority votes discord then we will start by saying "slack is going bye bye we are going to discord" with support of admins here and them actually being there - that can happen also if something interesting, unique and helpful gets answered here or on next platform - we could encourage the user to make SO post about it

or even better make discord bot so moderator/admin can just mark this - make SO post about it, little bit of editing and great

i dont know everything and i dont want to force anything

i am just saying possible solutions that' the thing we need, from the soup of solutions something will pop up

TBH, (some) people have been saying "Slack is going bye bye" for years but the vast majority here haven't even looked at other solutions. I'd love to see more people here go and try out Discord and Matrix/Riot and whatever else and write up what they think are the pros and cons of it. We've been encouraging folks to do that (for years) but only a handful care enough.

I think there's some irony that Discord has 45 votes in that poll so far -- which is 50% more than are actually using Discord at this point 🙂

what you are looking at is the aggregate result of many individual decisions made on their own, the only way to change that is to address each of those individual decisions, putting to a vote on reddit is just sour grapes because people make decisions you disagree with (like using slack over something else)

woah that is funny yeah 😄 i know about discussion but i posted there so people here are aware that this is happening

if you want to guide a clojure community via votes the first thing you need to do is build a clojure community that agrees to be governed via votes, there isn't one, and never has been one

vote will do atleast one thing

when someone posts on reddit or starts complaning

i just post vote

/close thread

no

you are appealing to the authority of a vote that has none

i am not a dictator

vote is a vote

a vote is not magic

it's a stat

useful one

you what would be funny ? 😄 it if turns out to be magic and this voting actually does something 😄

again i am trying to focus on possibilities rather than 'no it cant happen'

who knows what can or cant happen lets try and see 🙂 hope you voted btw

heck no

the idea that the subreddit is the clojure community is also laughable

🙂 have a nice day

No need to be snarky @lepistane -- @hiredman makes valid points.

to be honest i am into spending energy where it matters, discussion with hiredman doesnt feel like that so i politely as best i could left conversation

Discussions here tend to get heated real fast. For some strange reason, the folks who advocate for specific chat clients seem very passionate about their choices. Shocking. Developers passionate about their tools, eh? 😆 Anyways, I just wanted to de-escalate that...

Again, I'll encourage everyone who cares (which I'd hope is most of the 160+ folks here!) to go sign up on several of the suggested Slack-ternatives and provide feedback.

@lepistane I've pinned your post here about the Reddit thread / poll so that it remains accessible beyond the 3-4 day history roll-off.

great! thank you very much

FYI, the Matrix/Riot.im Clojure room has been added to the Reddit sidebar, along with Discord and Slack so hopefully that will get a few more eyeballs.

👍

@lepistane could you enable the option to vote of multiple options please, the mailing list and IRC/Slack/Et.al serve different purposes, and to not allow this skews the results.