Clojurians Log v2
community-development
There is also https://spectrum.chat/clojurians
I guess none of them is perfect. I like what is happening at Zulip and if we decided as a community to move there I’ll be happy to pin a post on spectrum saying - We are on Zulip. For now I believe we are in exploration phase. I would love actually to see that all of them have the same information and people can chose the clients they like.
Frankly, we're long past "exploration". Zulip is relatively new but nearly all the others have been going for years and gained no traction. As an Admin, I couldn't possibly recommend Spectrum in the state it's in. I could recommend Zulip. If the community makes a move from Slack, Zulip is the most likely target.
Sounds good to me. If there will be a decision to move to Zulip I’ll happily pin a post on Spectrum that we are there. Let me know when there will be a decision. I had a discussion with @eval2020 about this and would love us to focus effort to bring community in one place without slack limitations.
I don't know how long you've been on this Slack, so I don't know whether you were around to witness all the "Slackopalypse" discussions (when it looked likely Slack would just shut us down with no notice), and all the frantic activity with setting up and testing alternatives?
I guess I didn’t witness all of that
Consider yourself lucky 🙂 It got really heated at times and was quite a headache for the Admin team here...
...hence some degree of sensitivity when someone comes along and says "Slack sucks! We should use X instead!" 🙂
Seems like there's just one channel/room there and less than two dozen people?
Oh, I see you just created a bunch of new channels...
I saw a notification that there were 8 new channels but I only see 5 total -- where do you go to find the complete list of channels in Spectrum @jacek.schae?
Hmm, despite telling me "8" I think only 4 were created, right?
Also, is this web only? I don't see an actual, useful home page for Spectrum itself (is it at a different URL?) so I can't tell whether it has Mac/Windows/iOS/Android clients...
https://spectrum.chat/spectrum?thread=87953769-713f-4ca9-953f-8791a7a94da1 that is certainly not encouraging 😞
Looks like they don't have any native clients and rely on PWA on mobile. Based on the roadmap and issues it all looks rather primitive and a long way behind any of the competition. I can't see why anyone would want to use this over several of the other much more established free open source offerings at this point.
Started using https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge It's fun.
I remember there were some Clojure groups on Discord and gitter too
@victor.cleja Yeah, neither Discord nor Gitter got much traction. Nor did Matrix/Riot. Not enough people liked the UI/UX of those and the Admins weren't very impressed with the tools available for moderation.
At this point, after several years of discussion and trial, Zulip is far and away the front runner -- and I'd really like to see folks coalesce around that as the primary alternative to Slack. Like I said in my blog post, Slack's not going anywhere, from our point of view, and you can't just push 15K people from one chat system to another.
The only reason I would move to another chat system is because slack doesn't show history past 10K messages but seeing as Zulip has the same limit I dont see why I would move over. :man-shrugging:
No it doesn't @mario.cordova.862 Did you read my blog post?
On Zulip, we're on the free-for-open-source Standard plan, without the limit.
indeed no limit - we’re sponsored by Zulip and have the “standard plan” as described https://zulipchat.com/plans/
Ahh I didn't know that
I mentioned it in my blog post specifically because of that.
and sponsored meaning the opensource-deal: > Free hosting at http://zulipchat.com > No catch; the hosting is supported by (and is identical to) http://zulipchat.com’s commercial offerings. This offer extends to any community involved in supporting free and open source software: development projects, foundations, meetups, hackathons, conference committees, and more.
via https://zulipchat.com/for/open-source/ (as linked in Sean’s article)
Thats pretty neat then. Id be more inclined to check it out
Please do @mario.cordova.862 It already has hundreds of members, and about 50 Slack channels are mirrored there (one way), and it the ability to navigate entirely on the keyboard is great. Also, the streams/topics are a great way to organize discussions (once you get used to them).
Definitely give it a spin; being able to search in eg a stream setup for a small OSS-project is way more helpful for newcomers and ‘regulars’ of such a project.
I wasn’t excited about Zulip at first but after playing with it, I really like it. The way topics work seems really valuable. I am thinking good topics will continue for a day or two instead of like 5 minutes in the busier slack channels.
Topics have been invaluable for me in supporting pack (although not many requests came in). I could work on something over many days with someone, without losing context, but still quickly responding in flurries. It was more natural than a github issue which is long form and more formal.
A topic may result in a github issue, but I think it's a better place to start if you have questions.