euroclojure

20-21 July 2017 Berlin
2015-06-29T05:45:12.000698Z

morning

agile_geek 2015-06-29T06:20:27.000699Z

Morning - @otfrom we using this channel from now on then?

slipset 2015-06-29T06:21:29.000700Z

Bruce!

slipset 2015-06-29T06:21:31.000701Z

:simple_smile:

slipset 2015-06-29T06:21:49.000702Z

Saw your picture at #C04V12NPC!

slipset 2015-06-29T06:22:10.000703Z

So good to be back at work, working on some enterprise java again.

agile_geek 2015-06-29T06:23:50.000704Z

@slipset: enterprise java, welcome to my world!

2015-06-29T06:31:03.000705Z

dunno. I figure this might be a good channel for general clojure chat in GMT +/-2 that isn't as high traffic as #C03S1KBA2 but busier than #C0522EZ9N or #C064BA6G2

slipset 2015-06-29T06:43:18.000706Z

in other news, I saw that @metosin and some swedish company is hiring clojure devs.

bozhidar 2015-06-29T08:20:31.000707Z

@otfrom: not a bad idea

agile_geek 2015-06-29T08:22:31.000708Z

@bozhidar @otfrom : I’m feeling a consensus here? Feel the Euro-love

annapawlicka 2015-06-29T08:39:29.000709Z

this channel was created specifically for the event, i suspect it will get quieter here in a few days

ordnungswidrig 2015-06-29T08:45:11.000710Z

A big "thank you“ to all the people at euroclojure, speakers, organizers or not, for a great conference, and for maintaining a warm and welcoming athmosphere!

thomas 2015-06-29T08:50:23.000712Z

@socksy: nice pics indeed

thomas 2015-06-29T08:50:49.000713Z

has everyone recovered?

thomas 2015-06-29T08:50:57.000714Z

I still feel quite tired...

annapawlicka 2015-06-29T08:51:34.000716Z

i finally have but it took me all Sunday

annapawlicka 2015-06-29T08:53:54.000718Z

let us know the results :simple_smile:

thomas 2015-06-29T08:54:13.000719Z

what was the crime?

slipset 2015-06-29T08:54:32.000720Z

we'll see

ordnungswidrig 2015-06-29T09:07:06.000721Z

slipset: Oh, I need to try that, too.

2015-06-29T09:20:58.000722Z

yes I'm also trying but getting Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: clojure/lang/IFn

2015-06-29T09:21:29.000723Z

by doing "lein uberjar && java -jar target/code-maat-0.9.0-SNAPSHOT.jar"

2015-06-29T09:21:33.000724Z

doing something silly?

slipset 2015-06-29T09:27:55.000726Z

I just ran it as lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git

slipset 2015-06-29T09:30:54.000727Z

which didn't do much, seems like we need a -a switch

slipset 2015-06-29T09:43:52.000728Z

It quite does things, but we need lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git | grep -v pom.xml | grep -v test | head

socksy 2015-06-29T09:45:01.000729Z

would be cool if there were some easy ways to visualize the ownership data from codemaat. Maybe should buy this book ^.^

slipset 2015-06-29T09:45:30.000732Z

Should probably buy the book anyhoop, but I'd really like some default-viz as well.

socksy 2015-06-29T09:46:03.000733Z

is there something that lets you run SQL like queries on CSV?

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:51:01.000734Z

https://github.com/adamtornhill/code-maat looks incredibly useful for my current client. I’m just debating whether I can get it past the corporate sign off process before the end of my contract in Feb!

socksy 2015-06-29T09:51:38.000736Z

what kind of corporate sign-off do you need to generate a few CSV files?

slipset 2015-06-29T09:52:06.000737Z

agile_geek: you're only parsing stuff that's already on premise

slipset 2015-06-29T09:52:27.000738Z

you're not shipping anything off to anywhere (from the looks of it) with code-maat

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:52:34.000739Z

Can’t access it or run it on corporate network

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:52:44.000740Z

Can’t get to Github!

socksy 2015-06-29T09:53:11.000741Z

…I think there’s a bigger cultural problem there

slipset 2015-06-29T09:53:11.000742Z

wow! I thought my hands were tied :simple_smile:

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:53:24.000743Z

Oh, I love your naivety!

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:54:24.000744Z

@socksy: yes there is…no they don’t recognise it…yes I’ve tried to explain it…no I don’t have the ear of the right person who is approximately 15 levels above me!

slipset 2015-06-29T09:54:52.000745Z

Do you have access to mvn repos?

slipset 2015-06-29T09:55:06.000747Z

or clojars?

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:55:26.000748Z

Only via nexus..locked down to only repos used in the org.

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:56:42.000749Z

Hence the ‘can I be bothered to fight the bureaucracy’ post earlier!

slipset 2015-06-29T09:57:02.000750Z

I know the feeling.

slipset 2015-06-29T09:57:12.000751Z

Can I ask what sector you're working in?

slipset 2015-06-29T09:57:49.000753Z

I guess I can ask, as I already did that, but are you at liberty to answer such a question :simple_smile:

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:57:52.000754Z

PS I am talking to you guys on my own laptop tethered to my own phone otherwise this conversation would be impossible and break contractual terms

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:58:16.000755Z

@slipset: let’s just say ‘Finance’ shall we.

slipset 2015-06-29T09:58:38.000756Z

Finance is good :simple_smile: I'm currently in 'Insurance'

agile_geek 2015-06-29T09:58:50.000757Z

Been there, done that!

slipset 2015-06-29T09:58:51.000758Z

Sligthly more lenient here :simple_smile:

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:00:23.000759Z

@slipset: it varies, worked for many financial institutions but they are all a bit paranoid.

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:00:53.000760Z

I love it when they describe themselves as ‘risk averse’...

slipset 2015-06-29T10:01:01.000761Z

:simple_smile:

slipset 2015-06-29T10:01:24.000762Z

I can see the irony, yes.

socksy 2015-06-29T10:01:37.000763Z

@agile_geek: are you allowed access to stackoverflow?

thomas 2015-06-29T10:01:48.000765Z

funny that these institutions are not risk averse when it come to betting our money

slipset 2015-06-29T10:01:53.000766Z

Let's not give the devs the tools to work while we let our traders make huge bets on a hunch they got while taking a dump.

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:02:01.000767Z

running Java 1.5, mainly untested code (<4% unit test), little technical oversight on offshore teams, etc. ‘Risk averse’!!!!???

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:02:40.000768Z

@socksy: It got taken off us for 6 weeks, that was fun…lucky I had my own machine/phone.

socksy 2015-06-29T10:02:49.000769Z

fucking hell

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:04:33.000770Z

@socksy: off shore guys still can’t access it! Fun!

agile_geek 2015-06-29T10:05:28.000771Z

@slipset: 😄

annapawlicka 2015-06-29T10:49:12.000772Z

I hope you all filled in EuroClojure survey :simple_smile:

socksy 2015-06-29T10:51:15.000773Z

@annapawlicka: is there a link? Or was it in person?

minimal 2015-06-29T10:51:26.000774Z

email

slipset 2015-06-29T10:51:30.000775Z

It was sent to your registration email

annapawlicka 2015-06-29T10:51:32.000776Z

you should get one in an email

socksy 2015-06-29T10:51:47.000777Z

well, guess I’ll have to wait until the boss gets off holiday

bozhidar 2015-06-29T11:47:22.000779Z

I sure filled mine

bozhidar 2015-06-29T11:48:17.000780Z

I have to say the lack of a mention of Central & Eastern Europe in it felt a bit excluding to me

korny 2015-06-29T11:51:00.000781Z

@agile_geek: I used to bring a non-work laptop with a non-work internet dongle, so I could actually do work, at that sort of employer.

korny 2015-06-29T11:51:31.000782Z

Mind you, this was in the days before mobile phone tethering, so the dongle was expensive and flakey. But still a life saver.

korny 2015-06-29T11:52:28.000783Z

I still got occasional resistance from people who didn’t want me “wasting” my time on email/irc/whatever, but generally they had no power as long as I never connected to a work network.

korny 2015-06-29T11:57:18.000784Z

more generally on code-maat: It looks awesome, would love to look at fiddling to make it more end-to-end - i.e. get data straight from git etc, generate visualisations directly via D3 or similar.

ordnungswidrig 2015-06-29T12:00:59.000785Z

korny: end-to-end is a point. I played around with it this morning but still struggle to visualize in a nice way

alexmiller 2015-06-29T12:09:30.000786Z

bozhidar: sorry about that - we just carried forward the questions from prior year and made some updates and probably could have been more complete there

ordnungswidrig 2015-06-29T12:22:28.000788Z

@alexmiller: northern europe was missing too, IIRC. :simple_smile:

ordnungswidrig 2015-06-29T12:32:15.000791Z

well, geo coordinates will do

agile_geek 2015-06-29T12:45:38.000792Z

@thomas: middle europe..yeah you better hobbit..err..’hop it’ after that comment… also quietly leaves after awful pun

bozhidar 2015-06-29T12:55:33.000793Z

@alexmiller: no worries

tcrayford 2015-06-29T15:18:47.000794Z

in case you missed my talk ("Performance and Lies"), I posted my own video of it already: http://yellerapp.com/posts/2015-06-29-performance-and-lies.html (official vids won't be out for a few weeks) [sorry for the spam]