Clojurians Log v2

@tcrayford: Nice. How did you record the audio? Just on the laptop mic?

morning

@alexmiller: One thing I’ve always wondered - it would be really great to have transcripts of conference talks since many people (myself included) don’t like watching videos much. How difficult would it be to produce something like https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hickey_Rich/SimpleMadeEasy.md for all conf talks?

(one day, I’ll actually remember that Slack requires @username before hitting enter)

@cfleming: we could always type some up and send in a pull request? great idea. Needs a serious amount of manpower to do them all though

@gjnoonan: Yeah - it seems like something that a professional transcriber could probably get through pretty quickly. But we could crowdsource it, right, or the speakers could do their own. If the speakers do their own they could do something more elaborate like http://idlewords.com/bt14.htm

@cfleming: We could crowdfund StenoKnight, who did a wonderful job at !!Con. http://composition.al/blog/2014/05/31/your-next-conference-should-have-real-time-captioning/

@cfleming: After all, it helps with disabilities.

@tjg: That’s awesome, and totally in line with trying to make conferences more inclusive

Oh, that’s a very good idea.

And it was so easy to help live-edit the Google Docs doc she made.

Nice, I’ve seen a talk about how StenoKnight uses steno for programming .. always interested me

@tjg: So she was typing into a Google doc, and the audience could correct at the same time?

@cfleming: Yep! At least, I edited it a few hours after a talk; dunno if anyone was editing it during the talk.

@tjg: That’s the coolest thing I’ve heard all day.

Admittedly, I just got up, but I’m not expecting much competition

@alexmiller: What do you think? I think this would be really great for the Clojure confs.

@alexmiller FYI: these people live-transcribed for the !!Con's: https://twitter.com/stanographer and https://twitter.com/stenoknight

@cfleming: audio was just from my phone, which I use as a remote as well

@tcrayford: Ah, ok, interesting - nice technique.

I would like to help transcribing a bit.... if we all spend on hour doing it we would have done in no time (I hope)

@cfleming: yeah, a friend taught it me. Works great!

@cfleming: I used a friend of Mirabai's (Norma Miller) to live transcribe Strange Loop last year and will be using her again this year. It's pretty neat.

it had not occurred to me for the conj, but single-tracks are the best setup for this kind of thing. I'll look into it.

it's a little pricey when you include travel costs for the captioner but if we could find someone closer, it might be feasible

@cfleming: btw I'm getting a transcript of my talk done right now. Should be up within 24h or so

@cfleming: gonna cost me about $80 or so, but that ain't much really

that's more expensive than it needs to be

I talked to Mattias re https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts and he found someone (after some trial and error) that sounded cheaper than that

@alexmiller: sure. I'm paying for one day turnaround etc. Could get it much cheaper if I was willing to wait a week.

ah, right

@tcrayford: wouldn’t it have been easier to record the audio at home? :simple_smile: Clearer sounds and no potential interference from the public

I’ve sometimes considered recording some of the talks rehearsals I do, but I’m guess I’m pretty lazy

having transcripts would be awesome

+1 from em

@bozhidar: I think you lose a tonne there though, because part of the nice thing about talks is the audience feedback etc

also I'd say different words to the talk video etc

and getting good sound at home ain't easy or cheap 😕

(my phone recording ain't anywhere near perfect, but it's pretty decent)

you’re right about the atmosphere, but getting a great mic is pretty cheap actually

oh true. Hard part is working your house to eliminate echos etc

http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/microphones/usb-microphones/meteormic/

I work remotely and I use this one all day long

(a friend of mine was a professional screencaster for 2 years, he ended up just permanently getting a desk in a music recording studio just because of audio quality)

@alexmiller: Oh nice - I think it would be great. I’d love to be able to read the talks instead of watching them, it’s much faster and I have a lot more moments when I can read than when I can watch video

@cfleming: sounds a direct contrast to my situation - I listen to (not watch) 2-3 talks a day whilst walking around town/doing chores/etc :simple_smile:

@tcrayford: I guess I need more chores!

Also transcripts are searchable and indexable - it would be nice to be able to index all talks from the various Clojure conferences.

oh for sure :simple_smile:

I think they're a big deal

there's a lot of good ones in Mattias's repo above

a lot of the classic ones from Rich in particular

transcripts are also accessible for deaf people of course.

@tcrayford: so if I ever see someone walking round so'ton and quoting Rich Hickey I'll know it is you!

ofc :simple_smile:

@alexmiller: I guess transcription would be much cheaper if it weren’t the live stenography, i.e. it could be done offline/later, and no travel costs. It doesn’t help the accessibility for conference attendees though, and the live OSS stenography sounds like a great showpiece.

yes, transcription is cheaper. I'd guess probably $1000 for everything from the conj vs ~$4k for live

@alexmiller: Yeah, that’s quite a difference

in addition to the captioner, there is some extra A/V required for screen, projector, etc at the conf

That makes sense

Late to this discussion, but does Youtube have any automated captioning? I’ve noticed captions on some talks on Youtube which seem to be machine generated

This is what I was thinking of: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3038280?hl=en

@danielcompton: Yes, but they mostly suck pretty badly