Job hunting, interview process and anything related to the experience of a job writing the Clojure language.
lispers-anonymous 2020-01-18T20:51:41.000600Z

Is there anyone here that works as an independent clojure contractor that would be willing to share what they charge as an hourly rate? I'm trying to find a nice baseline to start negotiating from (as a contractor, not an employer). Thanks.

kwladyka 2020-01-20T11:47:55.002Z

Where do you live?

bherrmann 2020-01-20T15:34:23.002200Z

What I usually do is figure out what a ft salary+benefits is, double that, then divide it by 2000 (number or hours in a working year.) So If typical devs earn about $200k per year (this includes salary + benefits + bonus) then I divide that by 2000 = $100/hr

bherrmann 2020-01-20T15:36:19.002700Z

Although people who write checks might use different approaches....

bherrmann 2020-01-20T15:37:00.002900Z

It is generally better if you can emphasize how much you can save the customer (or generate additional income) - and if you can show them that hiring you is a way for them to save money (or generate value) ...

kwladyka 2020-01-20T15:53:43.003200Z

on the other hand companies always cut on you and you can do nothing about that unless you live in US / UK.

ag 2020-01-21T18:07:21.003600Z

Do you really have to change hourly? Can you workout a scheme where you get paid per project/milestone? I think that is a much better option for both parties.

lispers-anonymous 2020-01-22T15:19:18.004100Z

I probably couldn't @ag. The other contractors there get paid by the hour. I feel like hourly would be more consistent, which is what I want right now. That being said, I've never seen a situation where a contractor gets paid like that so idk if it would be consistent or not.

kwladyka 2020-01-22T15:57:33.004300Z

rate per hour is standard

lispers-anonymous 2020-01-23T03:00:14.004500Z

That's what I settled on. Just noticed I ignored all that other stuff above. I live in a mid-sized city in the south (US). Standard contractor rates for other companies that do C#/js/java/vb development is between 40-50$ an hour. Negotiations have started and i believe I will end up with more than the standard rates for other dev in my city. I'm happy with it as it will be the most I've ever made as a full time employee. I just have to figure out how to get health insurance and other benefits that I used to get as a full time employee

kwladyka 2020-01-23T09:31:49.000100Z

Hmm you mean US rate for people who live in US is 40-50$? I expected it to be much higher hmm

kwladyka 2020-01-23T09:32:37.000300Z

Here I can’t help too much, because I don’t live in US

lispers-anonymous 2020-01-23T14:20:55.001600Z

In my city. In a place like new york or California it's going to be much higher.

ag 2020-01-23T19:40:00.003Z

The rate still feels very low, you may end up having it rough after paying taxes.

kwladyka 2020-01-23T20:20:23.003200Z

So what is the rate for people living in US from your experience? I know it depends where. I hear different opinions.

ag 2020-01-23T20:23:39.003400Z

Usually you'd take a full-time yearly rate and divide the number by 2080 (estimated number of work hours in a year)

ag 2020-01-23T20:25:49.003600Z

That's the absolute minimum you should charge per hour.

ag 2020-01-23T20:26:28.003800Z

@dannyfreeman you should be charging at least $70/h

kwladyka 2020-01-23T20:26:38.004Z

that is what I was thinking about it, but I hear opinion rate and salary in US are not really counted at the same level

kwladyka 2020-01-23T20:27:30.004200Z

yeah, this is different story for example for me, because I live outside US.

lispers-anonymous 2020-01-23T20:30:35.004400Z

$70/hour is an extremely high rate for my city where the average software engineer job is a lot lower than that (like 50-60k per year). I believe I'm going to get about 60/65 per hour which is a really nice compromise for me.

kwladyka 2020-01-18T22:06:57.001400Z

there is no answer, it depends on country, company and your experience. The range is very wide.