Hi everyone. It's not an offer of a job, but an open-ended question about the job market. I'm a polyglot programmer, mainly OOP and procedural, who's become hooked on the joy of Clojure development. Can anyone share their experience of moving from a mid-level/senior developer position with only hobby project Clojure experience to a principally-Clojure job? What are the challenges? Is remote work easy to find once you have experience in the field? Is there much work that isn't web-based? Is it competitive? What do you wish someone had told you when you were considering taking the leap? 🙂2👍1➕1☝️
Mm non polyglot companies are quite rare imho
Unless they are new startups that started straight away all in with Clojure, I doubt there are many and they will still probably use python for data related tasks
Any older company most likely has legacy code in half a dozen language that still needs to be maintained
sure, but then they want to have Clojure and Python developers not 2in1. Sure you can know both, but they care about experts.
At least it is my experience
and for sure years of experience in 1 language matter
that is why I stick with Clojure
Thanks for your thoughts @kwladyka. I appreciate your comments on expertise, it certainly is valuable. For me, personally, I'm a fan of trying new languages. It's good for the soul? I learnt Clojure for the sake of learning, and it's been a very enriching experience. I'm not debating your comments about employment, they're likely true, but I was a programmer for fun long before I was a programmer for money. 🙂
I’m wondering this myself. I’ve recently gotten a taste of Clojure and want to do more with it but I’m not sure what the job market looks like.1➕
@markgdawson One possibility is to introduce Clojure where you already work (that's how we shifted to Clojure at work). Not all companies will allow that but if you work somewhere that is already polyglot, and already on the JVM, then it might be relatively straightforward to use Clojure on a small but visible project and show folks how well it does.1💯
that might also backfire, specially if you're the only person who likes/is interested in Clojure1➕
it is in theory much better to find a place which is already sold on Clojure, but depending on where you live they are not so many
depends where you live probably, but here there are some jobs for example https://jobs.braveclojure.com/
Thanks @seancorfield, that's an option for sure. Unfortunately, I think that a big ask, as we work on code from outside our control, and the code is a deliverable. Small hobby/internal projects, sure. Something serious, very unlikely unfortunately. But otherwise, I think for many it's sound advice.
@andrea.crotti I've already started carefully downplaying my enthusiasm for Clojure for fear of broken record syndrome! I've not been met with too much shared enthusiasm yet. :)
Geographically, I think I'm restricted to remote work realistically. Not a huge amount of tech around here, and certainly no Clojure I'm aware of.
@markgdawson here is my story, starting from the point where I have years of Java but am burnt out and frustrated with its concurrency model: • Started programming Clojure in my spare time, chose an existing Java arcade game I wrote to do in Clojure as a personal learning exercise. Fell in love. • Gave a lunch & learn at work, showcasing the Clojure game and showing REPL development. • Used Clojure for internal "quick" stuff. Kept a REPL running. When asked if the "distribution of our IDs is uniform" worked up a quick test, with visual graph, on the spot. • Started interviewing for Clojure roles. Wasn't good enough, but learned more. • Finally landed a Clojure role, took it and left Java behind. • Turned that into my present role and while I don't work exclusively with Clojure, I'm a happier person than before.
Hi @the2bears, thank for sharing the story. I feel like I'm probably still in the "wasn't quite good enough" stage of the journey, but I've picked up a few side projects to sharpen my skills. A lot of it is probably a waiting/learning game for me right now. 🙂
How did you find it when you started applying for jobs before you were "good enough". Did you find employers wanted evidence of bigger projects, or was it more a question of being able to demonstrate competence (e.g. technical questions and competence testing)?
@markgdawson, it was all the latter. Most of the Clojure positions I applied for had small assignments to complete up front. All had Clojure coding during the interviews.
I think first of all you have to convinced yourself you want to switch and focus on Clojure. You believe in this language. Then you can convince people who will hire you.
From my experience companies want to have people who focus and have experience in 1 language
not really polyglot
but this is my experience
from my experience more you specialized, more they will pay you and want you
remote work is cool 😉
the easiest for start is you area like EU, US etc.
the most $$$ is US
but the hardest to get