Job hunting, interview process and anything related to the experience of a job writing the Clojure language.
rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:22:40.181600Z

In a similar situation here, and seriously wondering whether self-employment might be preferable. With Clojure jobs being considerably less common than hens' teeth (at least in my neck of the woods), it's starting to seem like the sole alternative to ending my days in Blubland.

rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:24:22.181800Z

Hope things pick up for you soon, @doby162!

Michael J Dorian 2020-05-03T23:25:15.182300Z

Thanks! You too! It's a good time to have a job at all right now :simple_smile:

rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:30:04.188300Z

As a candidate, possibly the most useful interview I ever had (in terms of finding out whether or not I'd be at home in the job) was when an employer paid me to work with them for 2 days - but that's a highly unusual approach, and probably only feasible if the candidate is already a strong contender for the role.

dpsutton 2020-05-03T23:32:20.192300Z

that sounds really cool. on the other side, on hiring teams we've agonized about requesting that much time from someone. you can possibly introduce a bias to people lucky/privileged enough to have two days they can get

dpsutton 2020-05-03T23:32:51.193700Z

and i bet sean will discuss that much more eloquently

seancorfield 2020-05-03T23:32:52.193800Z

I'd be shocked if anyone could effectively come up to speed enough in two days for that to be a feasible way to evaluate candidates.

seancorfield 2020-05-03T23:33:18.194400Z

(and, yes, it does presuppose a lot of things about the candidates!)

seancorfield 2020-05-03T23:33:43.195Z

Was it on-site and local @rhinocratic

seancorfield 2020-05-03T23:34:33.197Z

I remember when I joined Macromedia, they didn't have a desk for me for about a week, nor a computer 🙂 So I was paid to sit in various corners and read and think for a week 🙂

rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:38:41.202700Z

It was (for me), but other candidates travelled considerable distances for other roles. I certainly don't think I came up to speed (especially since the coding was in a language unfamiliar to me), but it did convey a good feel for the nature of the work. It's probably significant that it was a greenfield project.

seancorfield 2020-05-03T23:54:21.215Z

Definitely an interesting approach -- and at least they were actually paying the candidate to work.

rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:58:48.217400Z

I confess to finding it a bit dispiriting that people are so ready to discount senior devs' experience when (based upon a brief grilling) their thought patterns don't immediately appear to conform to the interviewer's expectations. Surely, seniors have built their careers upon being flexible and adaptable, and should not be judged incapable of change or learning? (Groucho - "These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."). I've found this attitude noticeably more common over the last 10 years, so I'm wondering if it's a coded way of saying "You're kind of old, aren't you?".

rhinocratic 2020-05-03T23:59:21.217500Z

It was - and unique, in my experience.