jobs-discuss

Job hunting, interview process and anything related to the experience of a job writing the Clojure language.
seancorfield 2020-08-11T00:29:46.055600Z

The HQ is notionally in Seattle, WA where the President/COO lives. I'm in the SF Bay Area (the only employee in the area). Two of the dev team are up in Washington state (both north of Seattle and not very close to each other), another one is in Minneapolis, MN. Our UI/UX guy is "somewhere in Europe" -- he's moving around a lot at the moment but will probably settle in Sweden soon. Our product manager is in Baltimore, MD. Our member services team is spread out between So. Cal., Las Vegas, NV, and one moved to Spain last year (Barcelona, I think). Our HR person moved to Romania (from So. Cal.). As long as folks can make core West Coast (USA) hours, no one cares where you live.

jiriknesl 2020-08-11T03:58:55.058100Z

How does 4x10 works for developers? I have some 3 highly creative/productive hours per day, 2 hours per day to be spent by some easier development and the rest goes to meetings, e-mails, speaking with Product Owner. It totals to 8. I doubt I could easily add 2 more productive hours to this. Maybe, itโ€™s only me but I think every employer who would agree with 4x10 instead of 5x8 doesnโ€™t understand how creative people work.

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seancorfield 2020-08-11T04:42:03.063500Z

@jiriknesl I think it depends on the individual. When I'm in flow, I find it very hard to stop what I'm working on. I deal with all my administrivia in the morning: I clear my inbox, I catch up on ClojureVerse, Reddit, Slack, etc. I plan out my work for the day (either selecting JIRA tickets to work on, or setting back up yesterday's environment if I'm mid-ticket). I might do some log analysis or other data collection and write that up. Then we have our daily stand-up, then I set up everything I plan to work on in the afternoon, then lunch, and then I settle it to work with no interruptions and I'll work for 4-6 uninterrupted hours most days.

seancorfield 2020-08-11T04:43:41.065400Z

So, yeah, I could easily shift to a 4x10 routine instead of 5x8. It's why I feel comfortable spending up to one afternoon a week working on the various OSS projects that I maintain (all of which we use at work so it's "work adjacent" anyway).

jiriknesl 2020-08-12T07:10:55.113200Z

Maybe, youโ€™re more energetic person than me. For me, even when I try my hardest, the sustainable rate of โ€œdoing the hardest creative workโ€ is some 3 hours per day + 2 easier dev work + 3 hours nondev work. A had a slight burnout many years ago. Before that, I believe I was able to do way more (maybe 5-6 hours of concentrated work + 2 easier + 3 non-dev work). It might be the reason. The other reason might be I was in my 20s and now I am closer to my 40s than to my 20s.

seancorfield 2020-08-12T16:08:13.116500Z

I'm nearly 60, and I've also experienced burnout but I attribute that to the job itself, or perhaps more to that job's environment. I've worked from home full time for ten years now which also really helps me stay in flow, since I have much more control over my environment and when I actually work.

jiriknesl 2020-08-13T03:49:18.125700Z

It might be the reason. I must say I donโ€™t have environment that supports deep work (flow) even when I work from home. Until recently, my little sons were at home.

seancorfield 2020-08-13T03:53:20.125900Z

Ah, I've heard that children can disrupt flow ๐Ÿ™‚ I only have cats to deal with and they can be very relaxing and therapeutic.

seancorfield 2020-08-13T03:53:47.126100Z

(they can also be destructive monsters too, at times, and a couple of mine can be very demanding...)

seancorfield 2020-08-11T04:46:55.067800Z

My only reason not to do that would be that in order to really get 10 hours days in, I'd want to get up an hour or so early so I was only working an hour or so past my current time, to avoid eating into my evenings watching TV with my partner (and answering questions on the Internet ๐Ÿ™‚ ) -- and I'm just not a morning person! The biggest benefit, for me, of working from home (our company is 100% remote) is that I can roll out of bed at 8:45 am, make a coffee, and be at my desk by 9 am to start work -- instead of commuting.

seancorfield 2020-08-11T04:51:30.069200Z

Sometimes, I just can't get into flow -- and I'll let my team know I'm taking off early because I'm not being productive. Other days I'll work later because I want to get something finished. It all balances out.

sveri 2020-08-11T06:45:27.071400Z

I cannot imagine 10 hours a day. Even 8 is hard for me because of all the sitting. I need to move my body, drive bycicle, go for walk, work in the garden. Sitting at home two days in a row without moving much (which happens sometimes because I want to work and work on my personal stuff) is fun, but I feel physically horrible after two days. I don't know how others do that in general, short workout routines can get me over the day, but a whole week, I don't know.

Aron 2020-08-11T07:27:10.075900Z

Same here. The chair is a killer. Or just staring at a screen, even with regular breaks, gives me a headache if I overdo it. I can imagine it working if I were to drastically reduce the amount of stuff I do beyond my work, basically, working 10 hours a day to some company would mean that I dedicated that day from my life to that work. Sometimes necessary, but I could only imagine being so singularly occupied, if I were to live in a world where I could have some trust in the future, trust that surprises due to my lack of involvement in other things would be mostly pleasant.

mpenet 2020-08-11T07:32:26.077900Z

Yeah it's better to avoid sitting altogether

mpenet 2020-08-11T07:34:47.080100Z

About physical activity, I also think it's crucial with the job we do.

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Aron 2020-08-11T07:52:45.081300Z

I wish I could code while walking

2020-08-11T08:02:37.084700Z

Anyone tried under the desk treadmills?

mpenet 2020-08-11T08:03:01.085800Z

Seems over the top

mpenet 2020-08-11T08:03:36.087100Z

I don't think it is worth it personally

2020-08-11T08:03:47.087600Z

For mywork at the office, meanly sitting. For work and personal stuffs at home, long sofa where I stretch and take naps, my position is in between sitting and laying. The sofa is paradoxally where I write the most.

Chris McCormick 2020-08-11T08:05:31.088200Z

walking is the best time to code. when you're at your desk is just for typing it in. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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2020-08-11T08:09:54.091Z

Sleeping works the best for me. Every evening with no exception, I give myself a problem or subject to think about. It helps me to sleep and I have ideas when I wake up.

sveri 2020-08-11T08:24:25.091200Z

I indeed did some years ago, but it's not really useful. The treadmill moves, it was to easy and it takes some of my concentration because of the movement. Also, I still sat on my butt, so it did not solve any problem for me.

Aron 2020-08-11T08:30:09.091400Z

Yeah, walking in the office is still walking, the output/input devices need to change for this to work, not the place where we walk : )

Aron 2020-08-11T08:30:56.092Z

I do not have that kind of memory ๐Ÿ˜„

Aron 2020-08-11T08:35:51.095400Z

When I want to sleep, I don't waste sleep time with thinking ๐Ÿ™‚ That said, I do think that it's a great idea to think about abstract problems (in contrast with thinking about practical problems, that's not great sleep). At least it's not like many people I know who basically just watch tv until they fall asleep.

Aron 2020-08-11T08:37:46.097500Z

I tried recording voice, but I don't want to talk to myself out loud in public, it bothers others and it bothers me. I need something like an input glove and some seeing glasses with embedded display, doesn't have to be too good, it's not for AR.

orestis 2020-08-11T10:39:35.098200Z

I used to dictate to my iPhone. Itโ€™s not half bad for taking notes that I can easily skim after.

practicalli-john 2020-08-11T13:00:23.104500Z

I do most of my coding at a standing desk, it's great for posture and concentration, it also encourages regular breaks to stretch (especially my knees). When thinking (hammock time) I do like to walk or cycle, thinking about the bigger ideas or reflecting on design choices. Although on occasion I have coded in my head.

practicalli-john 2020-08-11T13:01:49.106300Z

I have a notes app, orgly, on my phone which is good for notes and am getting used to using voice dictation (not while cycling though)

2020-08-11T13:26:32.106400Z

If you record your voice on your phone, nobody will notice that you are talking to yourself, people will think that you are talking to someone else.

Aron 2020-08-11T13:38:45.106600Z

I am not sure what to do with this. Clearly we live in different universes ๐Ÿ™‚

synthomat 2020-08-11T18:23:53.108100Z

working at a standing desk with headphones on I eventually start dancing and Iโ€™m always wondering if it distracts anyone sitting close to me ๐Ÿ˜…

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