Clojurians Log v2

I am curious... Is that gross or take home pay? Because at least here in Chile that's also a factor that confuses foreigners. Salaries, unless they are for very high paying positions, are always specified with tax and other deductions already applied.

@polymeris Oh that's interesting! Does Chile have a national healthcare system (paid with automatic deductions on salary)?

Healthcare insurance is universal and everyone pays 7% unless very poor or very rich. However it's paid to your choice of either a private insurance provider or the state provider.

If you make less than some amount you have to use the state provider. And if you make more than some amount that 7% is capped, making the wealthier people pay proportionally less.

Similarly for pension fund, it's a fixed 10%, again capped if you are somewhere in the 2% of people who make most.

(also paid to private pension funds)

I wish it were like that here! A lot of small companies here have no healthcare plans for their workers and no pension funds. The state pension system is minimally funded. Many people have no healthcare. Costs on the open market are ridiculously high and even with employer-supported health insurance, you often still have to contribute a chunk yourself, the insurance has a deductible amount that you have to pay before it kicks in and then it only pays a portion of your costs until your out of pocket costs hit a certain threshold. People go bankrupt here with medical bills or their die because they can't afford healthcare.

"here" = USA. I'm originally from England which has universal healthcare -- I pretty much never saw a bill for treatment until I moved to America twenty years ago (and my family are still in England and never pay a penny).

Just the last week I had an interview with a potential client that, as it turned out, wants me to use Hubstaff. An accompanying question was, while knowing full well what I charge for my time: "What's the lowest rate you could agree to?" 🤦 I am now waiting for the third horseman of the successful hiring - to never get back to me. Which is absolutely fine by me, given the above.

So I see a couple fo job postings in #remote-jobs that requires the applicant to be in Europe. Is that restriction purely because of timezone issues?

I ask this because I’m in Ghana (GMT-0) so i’m pretty much on the same timezone as europe and would like to apply but it’s unclear what EU-Only actually implies. This question of course goes to hiring managers from firms based in the EU.

I guess it’s because it’s simpler. EU citizens can work in any member country without a work permit. https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457&langId=en

Indeed. But it's often possible to work with someone without being hired - e.g. as a contractor and/or through your own legal entity. If you're really interested in some position, you should definitely study your options and reach out for a discussion.

@thomas.boeglin I get that but I didn’t know it applies to remote

It does apply as long as it's a regular hiring procedure, with social insurance and personal income tax and whatnot.

@p-himik so social insurance, personal income tax, etc are the same across the EU?

No, depends on the country.

Well, and many other things of course, which in turn depend on the country themselves.

That’s why I asked, it’s not clear to me why they limit it to only the EU because employment regulations differ significantly across the EU as I’m aware. It’s a bit strange that they ignore an entire continent from their talent pool.

Besides, here in africa, we don’t have any strong job regulations (we don’t even set minimu wages). At least contractor based arrangement will be fine. The engineer will work on paying their own taxes.

AFAIK any company from EU can hire any EU citizen. It has nothing to do with taxes and social insurance - it just mentioned them to describe "the proper hiring procedure". As an employee that is, as opposed to a contractor. Any company can also hire people from other countries, but it requires a significant effort. Effort that's usually just not worth it.

For example here in Cyprus, in order to hire a third-country national from outside the EU a company has to: - Do a background check of the applicant - Get a quota from the government for hiring third-country nationals, which is by itself a complicated procedure - Prove to the government that the applicant meets all the criteria and that there are no citizens with comparable skills (i.e. there are no locals that can be hired on this position) - Follow with the applicant through the process of getting a work visa It often takes months for a particular applicant to actually be able to start working.

As a Canadian who works in the US, the above is pretty much right. The biggest hurdle for my company is trying to explain to the government why they would hire me over someone who is a US citizen. My ability to work here is dependent on my formal education in CS and specializations for that specific job, not just that I am competent software engineer (since the US has plenty of those)

I worked in a place where is was pretty ‘normal’ to get people from outside of the EU. But like @p-himik said there is a lot involved. At least in the Netherlands they do get a significant deduction on income tax. So it’s probably worth it eventually, as you can pay them less you would for an eu-citizen.

@p-himik I think things now make sense to me.

I didn’t expect this though from the same countries that act like they care about us. Instead of sending foreign aid that only benefits the wealthy elites, they should open their markets to us.