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bherrmann 2021-06-11T01:44:32.330800Z

we had a legal last name in our of systems which was “null” https://www.houseofnames.com/null-family-crest

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respatialized 2021-06-11T17:19:57.334900Z

"Zero of House Null" is going to be the title of my cyberpunk SF novel

2021-06-11T10:20:36.331700Z

https://aphyr.com/posts/353-rewriting-the-technical-interview , there whole series on technical interviews is quite good

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danieroux 2021-06-11T10:49:48.331800Z

Aphyr is clever AF. Especially his work on Jepsen fascinates me: https://aphyr.com/tags/jepsen (also yay Clojure!)

2021-06-11T16:11:28.333100Z

Aphyr inspires me.

2021-06-11T16:13:26.333700Z

same link 🙂

2021-06-11T16:14:23.334Z

Slack is making it hard to copy the link. I was trying to post the one before.

2021-06-11T16:15:21.334200Z

> The interviewer—Criss, his badge says—is young, as is customary in the Valley. Wearing a hoodie which, judging from the lack of branding, cost at least three hundred dollars. He resembles no animal in particular, which gives you pause. Usually you're better at that sort of thing.

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2021-06-11T16:19:17.334600Z

Oh, here is my favorite bit. > “Are you really unable,” you ask, voice as calm as stone, “to imagine eight powerful women in the same room without them trying to kill each other?”

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zendevil 2021-06-11T19:50:50.335800Z

What’s the difference between a Software Engineer and a Software Developer?

2021-06-12T07:23:32.342300Z

I think Software Engineering as a term got a bit of a bad reputation 20-30 years ago, being associated with a lot of counterproductive things like waterfall development and being required to write extremely detailed design documents before you're allowed to start coding. Agile and XP and Lean came along and showed us that we could work much more effectively, even on big systems, if we threw out some of the formal things that we used to do. But more recently a lot of people, notably Dave Farley (of continuous delivery fame) have argued that we most definitely can take a rigorous engineering approach to writing software, making hypotheses and using real data to test those hypotheses and guide our work. There's a talk that Dave Farley was doing a year or so back that explains this much more eloquently than I could: https://youtu.be/_N_jIrEBOpw So for me, perhaps a software developer is someone who doesn't want to be associated with waterfall development and the software crisis, and a software engineer is someone who got over all that.

2021-06-12T08:17:25.342600Z

Or it's just what you put on Linkedin since that's what others that write software put?

2021-06-12T11:47:23.343100Z

☝️ also this (because I also don’t quite fancy writing “archwizard of computerisation” on LinkedIn)

Thomas Moerman 2021-06-12T17:28:52.344900Z

I once was allowed to pick my own job title: "lambda wrangler". Needless to say, the amount of linkedin spam kinda disappeared.

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2021-06-11T20:03:20.336Z

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blak3mill3r 2021-06-11T20:03:29.336300Z

Software Engineers get to wear a cooler hat

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2021-06-11T20:03:33.336400Z

one of those terms is extremely controversial

emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:05:40.336700Z

I'd love to see some engineered software one day 🙂

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2021-06-11T20:34:54.337400Z

user> (compare "Software Engineer" "Software Developer")
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seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:38:23.337500Z

Job titles are often impossible to compare across different companies so any “difference” between SE and SD only matter if they are both titles used within a single company. Lots of companies have two sets of job titles: the internal job grade system that HR/payroll use and the “vanity titles” that other departments use.

seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:39:57.337700Z

Where I’ve worked for the last decade, I just retained the same job title I liked from previous companies dating back to 2000 when I joined Macromedia as their “Senior Software Architect”, but my HR-facing job title has been all sorts of things (and, to be honest, I don’t even know what my internal title is these days!).

emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:41:24.337900Z

Titles can be quite useful inside large orgs to figure out who to talk to. Between companies it seems less useful.

seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:42:00.338100Z

I worked at a startup for a while that didn’t really have job titles and so they decided I would be “Chief Software Architect” because they wanted to give me a “C-level” job title for when I was interacting with clients 🙂 Another startup made me “CTO” by virtue of there only being two of us for most of the time and the other guy was “CEO” because he was the founder 😛

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emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:43:15.338300Z

Ah I didn't realize I was talking to a CTO 🙂 🙇

emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:44:01.338500Z

You should have a byline with Clojurians Admin in the title, that carries hefty weight!

seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:44:45.338700Z

After six years as Macromedia’s Senior Software Architect, Adobe acquired us and I was told “we don’t have architects” so you’ll have to use a different job title!” 👀

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emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:44:53.338900Z

I did for a while semi randomize my titles when responding to emails, like Archwizard of Computing and Baron of Bytes and things like that

emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:47:08.339100Z

"If you could try turning the program off and then on again, that should solve the problem. Best regards, Emil Aasa, Archwizard of Computing at XXX"

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emilaasa 2021-06-11T20:47:31.339300Z

I don't think that was well recieved

seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:50:58.339600Z

Adobe used “Computer Scientist” and “Senior Computer Scientist” for some of its roles (I was the latter, at least internally for HR purposes), and those are pretty absurd job titles. Example on Glassdoor: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Adobe-Senior-Computer-Scientist-Salaries-E1090_D_KO6,31.htm

seancorfield 2021-06-11T20:51:23.339900Z

(I left Adobe back in 2007)

2021-06-11T20:53:11.340100Z

A certain quote about the relevance of computer science to computers comes to mind…

salam 2021-06-11T20:53:46.340300Z

i guess the underlying question is really: Are We (people who write software/programs/code) Really Engineers? https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/crossover-project/are-we-really-engineers/

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Heather 2021-06-11T20:57:21.340600Z

I know that in some countries, “engineer” is a reserved title and implies some sort of certification and licensing. In the US, though, engineer and developer are pretty much the same.

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