Clojurians Log v2

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"3. There is no step three"

Hi everyone! This is not a formal announcement yet as we are currently open-sourcing our repos, revamping our website, and planning for alpha. However, I share it with you since we need a little boost 🙂 A few years ago, Mike Anderson (creator of core.matrix) started working on something that closely ressembles Clojure on this very efficient "blockchain". It aims to be inclusive, green and eco-friendly, seeing all the intolerable excesses this industry has sprouted. A good chunk of our toolset is written in Clojure and it has brought us a decisive advantage. I am keen to share all that with you "soon" and get your feedback. Meanwhile, we would appreciate a little vote to push us forwards. We are a very small team of devoted people, with limited means, so any help matter. Here in the "Digital Assets" section, there is a demo video as well: https://t.co/wS9idAG1if?amp=1 And if you want to get a hang of it, Convex Lisp is very similar to Clojure and you can hack in the "Sandbox": https://convex.world/documentation/tutorial Cheers!

indeed. Thank you

I'm going to write my thoughts in a google doc so it's easier to share.

@jimmy @dane.email I wrote an overview of how we can match segments of the paper to a meeting time frequency so that we can finish it fast enough that we dont lose interest but slow enough to learn the material. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kDhgVYVt4aelzuVPheaL2tM7sb1w0kjrLnf6Dp7lCCc/edit?usp=sharing

Apologies for any mistakes in that doc, the next thing on my list is to fix my keyboard.

Two questions. Kind of confused on the timeline. It lists 10 different reading goals, that are biweekly and then says we would finish in 6 weeks. Something isn't adding up in my brain. Maybe I'm misunderstanding? The other thing I'm unsure about is the desire for 6 people. I've found that this is often the hardest part. I have no idea what time zones you all are in, but finding that many people who want to read a thesis and can meet at the same times might be a bit tricky. I've seen lots of groups not exist because of goals like that. I guess I'm just curious why you want that minimum number?

I will add that I've been quickly reading through and it is a super readable paper.

Reminds me of the Stuart Halloway tweet about refactoring... https://copilot.github.com/

err i said bi weekly, what i meant was twice per week.

no hard reason on the number of people, it means if 2 dont show we still have 4 which is comfortable.

what did he say?

I avoid twitter. Can you summarize?

agreeing on a time is a big deal

Lol, summarize XD Repeat what he said would be better

https://twitter.com/stuarthalloway/status/1234261008560115712

https://twitter.com/stuarthalloway/status/1316030414746771457

that really is something that demands a bit of substantiation. to be specific, I mean the statement “refactoring tools do more harm than good”. anyone found it?

Makes sense on both counts. But would definitely recommend making the number of people a loose goal. I'm in us east time zone and can do this during work hours. Not sure I could do twice a week outside work hours.

It's your call, no point in meeting if no one can meet. Given the density of the material, I suspect we will have questions and discussions points long before the meeting then. Once a week should be fine, but then I would up the amount of reading. Unless we want to make it a two month thing.

And that reminds me of Gene Kim quoting Rich Hickey describing some refactored code: > It looks like someone took a wedding cake and then smashed it against a wall https://www.cognitect.com/cognicast/159 at ~24:50

I can imagine in practice someone trying to program with this copilot by constantly editing their comments to get it to autocomplete what they want until they give up and use google to find a snippet to copy from stackoverflow.

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

Someone on the internet summarized some of mine thoughts ;; I don't like QI comparison, this should be like Clojure experience or something like this

Many of the most powerful libraries use macros. Also it is interesting that runtime generated (DSL) code is very common, just in the form of maps and vectors rather than quoted lists. It’s essentially meta programming in a slightly different shape. Honeysql, malli, datomic/datascript come to mind.