Clojurians Log v2

Did you guys know that slack sometimes shuts down chats for being publicly accessible?

Ours got closed that way. We were told to vacate within 2 weeks before deletion

the ToS at that time (maybe still now) clearly outlined it's for company internal usage

I find it ABSURD that a coding community would opt for something so ridiculously capitalist and proprietary as the main venue for communication. But I guess thats just me ¯\(ツ)/¯

@coinedtalk Which community was that?

Clojurians wasn't set up to be "the main venue for communication". It was set up as an experiment -- as were similar Clojure communities on Matrix/Relay, Discord, Gitter, and many other places. It just happens to be where about 14,000 people signed up to communicate. Folks are welcome to use whichever service they want. There's also IRC, the Google Groups, Reddit...

@seancorfield Thanks for answering! I understand the economics of it. Is it the right tool for the job then? Slack on this plan is plainly unusable for private messages. I've got a bunch of people I talked to and we have no idea anymore what we talked about!

Which is a rather weird outcome for a tool employed to connect people and build a community. Would other tools like Disqus, Telegram or Yapster etc be viable alternative?

Is there chat in the Disqus?

https://clojureverse.org is good for persistent discussions. And... maybe IRC / gitter / Mattermost for open source alternatives to Slack. A Telegram channel with 11k people would be... insane.

afaik Disqus is just a blog comment hosting service. Not really useful in our case.

Discord discussion channel here https://discordapp.com/channels/280033776820813825/310129155226337280 And gitter https://gitter.im/clojure/general (old) Reddit discussion here https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/6vxqro/lets_settle_this_vote_slack_vs_other_platforms/ P.S. https://medium.com/ignation/time-to-replace-slack-who-will-win-mattermost-or-riot-matrix-a090e9cdc219

Ah... there's another Clojurian discord server https://discordapp.com/invite/v9QMy9D

@victor.cleja Good catch, Discord, (not discus). Perhaps other services are even better

I believe there has been lots of discussion over what "the best" software systems to use for communication. There is no "official" recommendation here -- there is the net effect of many individuals making their own decisions what media to use for communicating.

@dennisa @victor.cleja This sort of discussion happens fairly regular in #community-development (which was created long ago for exactly that purpose). This channel is intended to be for people asking for help using Slack. In #community-development there are links to wikis that have recorded the overview of such discussions.

The r/Clojure Reddit sidebar (right hand side) links to most of the known Clojure communities out there. Anyone is welcome to join any/all of them.

Is it a sign that I'm old that the r/Clojure Reddit sidebar doesn't mention the Google groups? 🙂

I'm actually rather surprised by that. Ask one of the moderators there to add it -- they've been really good about adding other "forums". Someone should probably ask them to add the Gitter link too (although that's really low traffic!).

Sent a Reddit private message to the moderators suggesting the addition of those links